[Politics] Labour annual conference

peterward said:

With the greatest respect to you and your politcal views ( i like your threads/posts) and the very leftist Albion fanbase.... That is the problem that the "radical left wing" don't seem to understand.

Momentum type politics may be in vogue in the north laines or Islington, you may read publications or frequent echo chambers of like minds, but it will simply never carry the country.

So the real question is do you want to be a tribalist, idealist, protest party or do you actually want to govern, because you wont as a corbynist radical left party.

I don't like Blair, as a person, though I did vote for him twice and I cant say im at all enamoured with Starmer who is a bland wet lettuce, but I do believe that we need a credible Labour opposition that champions social juctice with proper fiscal competence, that ends this tiresome tribal bollocks, class warfare and "kill the tories" gesture politics.

That Labour party, the one that can actually get into power, appeal to a broad cross section of the electorate outside of radical left student halls and places like Brighton, wont come from the "radical left", it will only come from the centre left imho.

I reckon the Tories will be laughing their heads off that Starmer has failed to get back to the electoral college system, because a new labour type cente left party is an electable threat, it could easily take back the red wall whereas a radical left momentum "one person one vote" candidate isnt getting anywhere near number 10.... Plus you can bet your bottom dollar they will now hammer Starmer that he cant even pursuade his own party of his ideas and failed in his one big idea, so why should the country trust him etc etc.

Johnson is pretty awful, though he's not a real Tory, he's more a lib dem/populist.... but what is the credible alternative that can carry the country? there isnt one.

I wish the radical left would grasp the nettle and be a little more open to real politik, as the left were in Blairs day, that its better to be in power with your Prescott type from the left of the party on the front benches and implement a fair amount of what you believe in, rather than carrying cardboard cut outs with slogans scrawled as you start the next 5 years in the wilderness.

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BN41Albion said:

The classic 'when I was growing up this bustling vibrant diverse city was a great place to be but now I'm an old miserable ******* it's a shit hole full of student wankers'

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Baker lite said:

Spot on, apart from the “miserable old whatever insult you threw at me”
The trots and the greens have turned my home town into a third world shithole, aided by soap dodging students.

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Baker lite said:

Spot on, apart from the “miserable old whatever insult you threw at me”
The trots and the greens have turned my home town into a third world shithole, aided by soap dodging students.

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Billy the Fish said:

I see Rayner is out there winning hearts and minds again

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Bakero said:

Fair play to her. It's nice to hear a politician say what they think, right?

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Billy the Fish said:

I see Rayner is out there winning hearts and minds again

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Billy the Fish said:

I see Rayner is out there winning hearts and minds again

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Thunder Bolt said:

Telling the truth, albeit in a very down to earth fashion (of course, you’ve never sworn) is mild compared to sick jokes about bombs at a Brighton conference.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-james-gray-apologises-sick-25074594.

Tory James Gray apologises for sick joke about delivering 'bomb' to Labour MP
The MP made the 'foolish' remark on a Tory WhatsApp group ahead of Labour's conference in Brighton - where an IRA bomb killed five people at the Conservative conference in 1984.

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Kuipers Supporters Club said:

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Is it wrong to tell the truth?
Is scum a forbidden word? Not to mention, racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

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Neville's Breakfast said:

The last three are specific accusations that can be justified or denied. ‘Scum’ is just offensive and not a level of political debate that a deputy leader should be involved in. Your example of the Tory and the bomb joke likewise.

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Thunder Bolt said:

If scum is offensive, then ask Bozza to ban the word in the next 48 hours!

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