[Politics] Boris and Biden

Lyndhurst 14 said:

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

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Smirko said:

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nowgull said:

Obama was accused of interfering with the referendum campaign when he said we'd be at the back of the queue when it came to US trade deals, but he was just being honest. The so-called special relationship was useful to the US as a conduit to the EU when we were influential members but Brexit has ****ed that for us.

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B-right-on said:

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

Really??

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B-right-on said:

So an Obama comment as a favour for his mate Dave, is 'official' US policy for the next xx years just to make us wrong for a vote about OUR sovereignty which now they can't do anything about.

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Lyndhurst 14 said:

So Boris toddled off to Washington with high hopes of brokering a free trade deal. Turns out Biden is fairly indifferent to such an arrangement, why wouldn't he be he has no need of such a deal and does not want to rock the boat with the Republic of Ireland. Seems that the UK is still hopeful of joining the USMCA, the trade arrangement between US, Canada and Mexico, although according to the BBC the benefits of such a deal are negligible and the chances of joining this club are very uncertain. This must finally scupper the idea that there is still a special arrangement between the US and the UK. Biden has far more important domestic issues to address than worrying about cosying up to a country who, post Brixit, is seen very much as a minor player on the global stage

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jcdenton08 said:

They'll make a separate deal, in due course. We always have done, always will do. Nothing to see here.

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Lyndhurst 14 said:

Anyone can do a deal with anyone, that's not the difficult bit, it's the terms of the deal which are important. And having seen Boris' negotiating skills on Brexit I'm not holding my breath

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Lyndhurst 14 said:

Anyone can do a deal with anyone, that's not the difficult bit, it's the terms of the deal which are important. And having seen Boris' negotiating skills on Brexit I'm not holding my breath

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jcdenton08 said:

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

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jcdenton08 said:

Boris won't be personally crunching numbers at the negotiating table. It would be the same economists and trade experts as if it were any other leader of the party.

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

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WATFORD zero said:

As long as it's not the same economists and trade experts that negotiated the unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol, The disastrous EU Fishing deal, failed to negotiate anything at all for the services sector and the rest of the Johnson's 'Good deal'. As long as it's not them then we should be fine ....... Oh

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jcdenton08 said:

Boris won't be personally crunching numbers at the negotiating table. It would be the same economists and trade experts as if it were any other leader of the party.

I love a bit of Boris bashing as much as the next man, but he is the figurehead who has final say on policy, with a team of advisors behind him.

He isn't personally negotiating complex trade deals.

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jcdenton08 said:

For pity's sake. I agree, they've made some rotten decisions and deals.

I was just pointing out a statement of fact that in government it is the specialists behind the elected MP whose job it is to actually execute policy.

The home secretary isn't there personally checking passports at Gatwick. They set policy based on advice from civil servants and then the process operates underneath them.

Labour, if they were negotiating deals, would have their own team or economists and trade experts to try and get them the best deal too.

I was just pointing out an obvious statement of fact that the PM isn't there with spreadsheets devising complex mathematical models in order to work out what a good deal and what isn't.

His team under him do all the work, however well or poorly, he just either takes credit or is blamed for it depending on how the deal is viewed by the public.

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Lyndhurst 14 said:

I think the problem may be, IMO, that the UK will be negotiating from a position of weakness with just a hint of desperation. The US and other countries will be aware of this and will use it to their advantage during the bargaining phase

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