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Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,207
This is fantastic. We have someone who won’t answer a simple question about whether brexit is related to the U.K. paying more than we otherwise would. Let’s say it slowly in capitals. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NUMEROUS FACTORS IN PLAY WHICH MAKE PRICES HIGHER FOR US. I HAVE OUTLINED SOME OF THESE EARIER SUCH AS STORAGE, RELIANCE ON GAS FOR ELECTRICTY ETC. THE STATEMENT WAS NEVER “BREXIT HAS CAUSED THIS” THE STATEMENT WAS “brexit is a factor in a perfect storm of factors that have made this particularly bad for us”

I don’t think the government is even pretending that being out of the EU is not a factor, they are just shouting about all of the others.

Like so much about brexit people can’t admit that it is a factor making things harder m, instead they just point at other factors and say “but that is more important” which is again not the point. There might be other factors that are more important but that doesn’t mean we should all celebrate an extra handicap. Hence my analogy earlier where a horse was given too much in a handicap race. Yes the main the weight might have been the biggest issue but those extra few pounds make a huge difference.

Given the lack of an answer to my simple question it is clear he agrees but simply won’t say it. So one last chance

Is a brexit a factor in making our prices higher than they otherwise would be? Yes/no.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,593
The Fatherland
“The UK's sixth largest energy company, Bulb, is seeking a bailout, while four smaller firms are expected to go bust in the coming days.”

Oh dear.
 


1066familyman

1066familyman

Radio User
Jan 15, 2008
15,185
Herr Tubthumper said:
“The UK's sixth largest energy company, Bulb, is seeking a bailout, while four smaller firms are expected to go bust in the coming days.”

Oh dear.
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Any names on the four smaller firms?
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,515
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Why did Theresa May refuse to let the Swansea tidal lagoon scheme go ahead? Renewables must be the way ahead.
 


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Neville's Breakfast

Well-known member
May 1, 2016
13,423
Oxton, Birkenhead
Berty23 said:
This is fantastic. We have someone who won’t answer a simple question about whether brexit is related to the U.K. paying more than we otherwise would. Let’s say it slowly in capitals. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NUMEROUS FACTORS IN PLAY WHICH MAKE PRICES HIGHER FOR US. I HAVE OUTLINED SOME OF THESE EARIER SUCH AS STORAGE, RELIANCE ON GAS FOR ELECTRICTY ETC. THE STATEMENT WAS NEVER “BREXIT HAS CAUSED THIS” THE STATEMENT WAS “brexit is a factor in a perfect storm of factors that have made this particularly bad for us”

I don’t think the government is even pretending that being out of the EU is not a factor, they are just shouting about all of the others.

Like so much about brexit people can’t admit that it is a factor making things harder m, instead they just point at other factors and say “but that is more important” which is again not the point. There might be other factors that are more important but that doesn’t mean we should all celebrate an extra handicap. Hence my analogy earlier where a horse was given too much in a handicap race. Yes the main the weight might have been the biggest issue but those extra few pounds make a huge difference.

Given the lack of an answer to my simple question it is clear he agrees but simply won’t say it. So one last chance

Is a brexit a factor in making our prices higher than they otherwise would be? Yes/no.
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I will leave you to your shouty obsession
 






vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,894
Neville's Breakfast said:
Well, yes because you made it up, just like the other poster. I don’t need to disprove it. It’s your assertion so you can either show it is true or continue to make wild generalizations.
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Might be worth your while tuning in to LBC today between 10-1, there well may be some experts on there who will help you see the facts.
 


vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,894
Thunder Bolt said:
Why did Theresa May refuse to let the Swansea tidal lagoon scheme go ahead? Renewables must be the way ahead.
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It would have ended up an ecological disaster, the bay would have been silted up long before enough electricity had been generated to pay for its construction.
 




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portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
17,610
portslade
Berty23 said:
This is fantastic. We have someone who won’t answer a simple question about whether brexit is related to the U.K. paying more than we otherwise would. Let’s say it slowly in capitals. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NUMEROUS FACTORS IN PLAY WHICH MAKE PRICES HIGHER FOR US. I HAVE OUTLINED SOME OF THESE EARIER SUCH AS STORAGE, RELIANCE ON GAS FOR ELECTRICTY ETC. THE STATEMENT WAS NEVER “BREXIT HAS CAUSED THIS” THE STATEMENT WAS “brexit is a factor in a perfect storm of factors that have made this particularly bad for us”

I don’t think the government is even pretending that being out of the EU is not a factor, they are just shouting about all of the others.

Like so much about brexit people can’t admit that it is a factor making things harder m, instead they just point at other factors and say “but that is more important” which is again not the point. There might be other factors that are more important but that doesn’t mean we should all celebrate an extra handicap. Hence my analogy earlier where a horse was given too much in a handicap race. Yes the main the weight might have been the biggest issue but those extra few pounds make a huge difference.

Given the lack of an answer to my simple question it is clear he agrees but simply won’t say it. So one last chance

Is a brexit a factor in making our prices higher than they otherwise would be? Yes/no.
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No, 4 years on and your still harping on. It is something that is global affecting everyone which is out of the control of any government unless your in the happy position of being able to provide it like Russia who can now up the costs
 




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Lenny Rider

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2010
5,434
We have no pork scratchings in the Cricketers, Broadwater at the moment, which they are blaming on a shortage of drivers due to Brexit.

Farage never mentioned that in his leaflet.........
 




WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
25,864
Neville's Breakfast said:
I will leave you to your shouty obsession
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I have to say that your complete failure to show any sort of objective case other than a subjective opinion that 'Brexit has had no effect' on what is quite obviously your specialist subject is somewhat disappointing if not unsurprising. If anyone had all the facts to hand to prove objectively that Brexit has had no effect, I would have thought it would be you :shrug:

Neville's Breakfast said:
It hasn’t happened. Argument about whether we think it might or might not happen tends to divide along pro or anti membership lines and is ultimately pointless. You think it’s likely because someone has said it and it conforms to your view. Someone else thinks the opposite. And there we have the thread that cannot be named (particularly now I know mention of it triggers a script :)).
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Which is exactly what you have done on this thread, a series of subjective opinions with no facts to back them up, and when asked for facts, 'well it's complicated'. Unfortunately there was an awful lot of pro/anti lines on the Brexit thread with people 'thinking what might happen' up until late last year. But as with everything else Brexit related, they have now been completely swamped by facts that are being realised daily.

As always, happy to pick this up over on the Brexit thread :kiss:

PS. While you're reading this, I'm with Outfox the Market, should I be looking for a new supplier :wink:
 
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pb21

pb21

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Apr 23, 2010
6,316
Thunder Bolt said:
Why did Theresa May refuse to let the Swansea tidal lagoon scheme go ahead? Renewables must be the way ahead.
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I can't remember for certain, but, I seem to recall there were some significant, valid, concerns regarding that proposed scheme.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2021
6,991
I think we're going to have to insulate our houses some more.

Any idea how I can go about campaigning for this?
 




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Neville's Breakfast

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May 1, 2016
13,423
Oxton, Birkenhead
WATFORD zero said:
I have to say that your complete failure to show any sort of objective case other than a subjective opinion that 'Brexit has had no effect' on what is quite obviously your specialist subject is somewhat disappointing if not unsurprising. If anyone had all the facts to hand to prove objectively that Brexit has had no effect, I would have thought it would be you :shrug:



Which is exactly what you have done on this thread, a series of subjective opinions with no facts to back them up, and when asked for facts, 'well it's complicated'. Unfortunately there was an awful lot of pro/anti lines on the Brexit thread with people 'thinking what might happen' up until late last year. But as with everything else Brexit related, they have now been completely swamped by facts that are being realised daily.

As always, happy to pick this up over on the Brexit thread :kiss:

PS. While you're reading this, I'm with Outfox the Market, should I be looking for a new supplier :wink:
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I just don’t see any facts that would make me believe this is a Brexit issue. It wasn’t me that claimed it was, so I’m not the one that has to justify it. Ultimately you’re right that energy and commodities are my specialist subject and I am calling it as I see it. Happy to be persuaded otherwise and I don’t discount it or anything else. Just need some facts to back it up. As to your energy supplier issue, you won’t lose supply even if they go bust. The portfolio will be bought up by a bigger company. Unfortunately it’s a bit too late to fix into lower prices anywhere. I fixed in July with Ovo and am quite relieved I did so. I know that doesn’t help !
 


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Neville's Breakfast

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May 1, 2016
13,423
Oxton, Birkenhead
vegster said:
Might be worth your while tuning in to LBC today between 10-1, there well may be some experts on there who will help you see the facts.
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I listened on the way out to take the dog for a walk and just heard a load of opinions about the M25 protestors. Switched it on when I got home and heard Martin Lewis talking about fixed and floating tariffs, which was interesting. Since then it’s been on in the background and all I’m hearing is that usual patronising, brainwashing repetitiveness on the Government and also on lorry driver hours. Now he is trying to talk up a scare over Christmas shortages in true irresponsible shock jock style. I guess he is trying to create panic buying as that’s a few mornings of the schedule sorted. I’ve not heard anything else about the subject of this thread, which is the current energy price crisis. Have you ?
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,312
from radio this morning, reporting on questions in the house yesturday was telling. Labour focused on the removal of universal credit topup, NI and costs, while Greens raised insulation and green grants.

no one seems to be especially concerned about risk to supply.
 






pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,316
beorhthelm said:
from radio this morning, reporting on questions in the house yesturday was telling. Labour focused on the removal of universal credit topup, NI and costs, while Greens raised insulation and green grants.

no one seems to be especially concerned about risk to supply.
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Apparently Haugue has said "Britons will suffer shortages due to the gas crisis"

I guess the issue is that there will be enough power for everyone but not at a price that everyone can afford.

Having said that I have also read our gas supplies are very low at the moment, albeit with some deliveries coming in soon...
 


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Raleigh Chopper

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12,054
Plymouth
Octopus energy flogging gas and electricity outside Morrisons this morning.
Now I could be wrong but I would not of thought for 1 minute that they had any great deals, they would be stupid to do so, I think they are a small company so may go bust any minute.
I did not have time to stop and talk but until you find out what the situation is, you need to be bonkers to switch today as they cannot offer cheap deals, maybe they were after customers whose energy supplier has or may go under.
I have no sympathy at all with energy companies, for too long they have ripped off and mistreated customers for far too long, false and complicated billing, overcharging on bills, hopeless customer services, unwilling to admit they have got it wrong ,putting up prices as winter approaches every year using wholesale prices as the same excuse every year, putting prices up straight away but bringing them down very slowly and only in the spring.
Per paid meters (usually for the poorest) are the most expensive.
UK Energy who speak for them are ridiculously biased and the energy minister is probably the most useless and pathetic minister in the cabinet, for years Labour and Conservative have promised much and delivered very little for the customer.
A prime example ( like trains) that privatisation does not work for something so important and should be nationalised now, energy should not be about profit first and should have a government that can get directly involved and inject money (like the NHS) when a crisis like this occurs.
I hope they all go bust and the government takes over.
Waiting for someone to mention the 70's and power cuts but, like the trains, we have come a long way since then, you cannot compare then with now.
 


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