[Brighton] Graham Potter

AZ Gull said:

What on earth has someone's playing career got to do with their ability to manage?

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vagabond said:

Oh, I’m not comparing GP’s record with those elite managers. Obviously not. He’s a young coach still in the early-mid phase of his career.

I’m merely pointing out that if Southgate can be fast tracked to take over the national job after what was a very uninspiring (or arguably a failed club) managerial career, it’s really not that far fetched that Potter could either. I think you’re vastly overplaying Southgate’s managerial record in the game, and as we’ve established, playing careers aren’t a requirement for elite management.

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Easy 10 said:

His club managerial career is clearly FAR from a glittering one, and I would never have argued otherwise. But then much like Potter, he was never high profile enough, trendy enough, or foreign enough to get a top job in the PL. So he ended up with a bottom-feeder club like Boro and duly got relegated, which (rightly or wrongly) is the kind of boat GP is in. Clubs our size cannot always survive in the PL.

HOWEVER

Southgate won 57 caps for England, and featured in several tournaments for his country. That counts for a LOT in terms of relevant experience when the FA were trawling round for someone to step into the breach for the top job when Allardyce was sent packing with his pint of Black Tower. Plus he had 32 games under his belt as U21 manager. So it was an obvious natural progression to give him the gaff (also convenient was that he wouldn't say boo to a goose and was a controversy-free candidate - thats probably the only similarity with GP).

GP simply doesn't have any kind of track record at the top level. I dunno why we're arguing over this tbh.

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vagabond said:

Agree to disagree [emoji106]. As Southgate and Big Sam previously got the job, and the FA are keen to recruit English I still don’t think it’s far fetched GP would be a candidate for the England job at all someday. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right.

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Easy 10 said:

I just find it faintly ludicrous to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as 'England manager' at this point. Its almost like saying that I could write a column for the Sunday Times, off the back of some of the drivel I've posted on NSC

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Bry Nylon said:

Yeah.

What sort of feeble-brained idiot would make an assertion like that? Still, gotta pass the time on this coach to Glasgow somehow. Just gone past Mansfield so only another 6 hours to go.

To be honest I was expecting to see a few more of us on here. Seems like it’s just me?

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Easy 10 said:

I'm getting the 8.15 up there tomorrow morning. See you at Newport Pagnall ?

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Braggfan said:

I'm not so sure the big clubs would go for him to be honest. Whether we like them or not Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche have long been touted as potentially being managers for bigger clubs, but how many approaches have they actually had. Even Nuno at Wolves, who has arguably a bigger profile than Potter by getting Wolves up to the Prem, into Europe and playing good football has admirers and you hear pundits saying he'd do well here or there, but I don't think he's been approached by anyone either. Potter is a good manager and he is getting recognition, but whether that would translate to an approach from a big club is another matter. Would any of them have the patience to give him a couple of seasons? I personally don't think they would.

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Easy 10 said:

Southgate won 57 caps for England, and featured in several tournaments for his country. That counts for a LOT in terms of relevant experience when the FA were trawling round for someone to step into the breach for the top job

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Gwylan said:

England have had 18 managers in their history. Of those, 11 played international football and of the seven that didn't, quite a few didn't play top flight football and some had no real football career at all. So, while it seems to be an advantage to have played for a national team, it's by no means a must have.

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Easy 10 said:

And of those 18 managers, 17 have (so far) been failures. That said, its certainly a "nice to have" to have been an International, especially in terms of that experience of International tournament football.

Southgate, having been in several England camps as a tournament player (57 caps + captaincies) would have ticked some big boxes at the FA, despite his club managerial career having being about on a par with Roy Cropper running a whelk stall.

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Easy 10 said:

Southgate, having been in several England camps as a tournament player (57 caps + captaincies) would have ticked some big boxes at the FA, despite his club managerial career having being about on a par with Roy Cropper running a whelk stall.

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HastingsSeagull said:

Teams will think about it, but until he’s done a bit more here it would be a huge risk for both sides. Give it a year or two and when we’re mid-table with more youngsters properly established, it will be very hard work to keep hold of him. That’s why the ridiculous contract from Uncle Tony was a good move.

At that point, I hope the big club would need to be in a strong position (and thus less likely to want a manager and especially a rebuild mode one). Once GP can see his project bearing fruit it must be harder to leave. That said we’ll have to hold onto and pay the guys he wants to keep and let go for decent money the ones he’s OK with. Big clubs might not give him that power but here I think the right balance would be struck.

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Change at Barnham said:

GP's still only 45 years old. He's previously taken his wife and family to go and live on almost the edge of the Arctic circle for seven years.
He's then moved them to Wales for a year, and then upped sticks again and moved them to Sussex.

His kids will finally be settled in school, his wife will have established another new set of friends, they are living in one of the nicest parts of England, he's part of a leadership team working on a vision with three top people in Bloom, Barber and Ashworth.
He's only two years into a plan of redesigning the Albion's style of play. He still has over four years left on his contract and he's being paid handsomely for the job of his dreams. And most importantly he's highly respected by anyone who knows anything about football.

He's not going anywhere for a while.
We're lucky to have him and he's lucky to be here.

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sheebo said:

I really hope NSC isn’t gonna have a thread on the possibility of losing every good asset we have from now until next season - it’s depressing!

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Change at Barnham said:

GP's still only 45 years old. He's previously taken his wife and family to go and live on almost the edge of the Arctic circle for seven years.
He's then moved them to Wales for a year, and then upped sticks again and moved them to Sussex.

His kids will finally be settled in school, his wife will have established another new set of friends, they are living in one of the nicest parts of England, he's part of a leadership team working on a vision with three top people in Bloom, Barber and Ashworth.
He's only two years into a plan of redesigning the Albion's style of play. He still has over four years left on his contract and he's being paid handsomely for the job of his dreams. And most importantly he's highly respected by anyone who knows anything about football.

He's not going anywhere for a while.
We're lucky to have him and he's lucky to be here.

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Blue Valkyrie said:

Of course it will.

The football manager generation love squad tinkering. Add in a few disguised palace fans making mischief about the best things albion coming to an end.... and you have the perfect storm.

Ignore it. Que sera sera. Tony will have great contingencies in place, and demand top compensation levels.

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andy1980 said:

Isn't that how Leicester has moved up the ladder to become a team fighting for a top 4 place?

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