[Football] Was our season determined in the summer transfer window

Garfield · Feb 28, 2021

Ollie Watkins Brentford to Villa £27M.

Not blaming Bloom etc for not getting him, but we weren't even in the bidding as far as I know, quite odd when you think of him and Maupay together at Brentford, and were quite successful, he surely would have been a natural fit.

To me this smacks of us not wanting to take the chance on spending on a hungry young striker, perhaps not surprising after the money wasted on Andone, Locadia and imo Jakhanabash! Did we lose our nerve, or is the money now gone?

It has resulted in Murray not being replaced, and apart from a misfiring Maupay we have no strikers to improve us, as we are seeing dominating game after game currently.

I really don't get it, unless we're broke or we have bottled the chance?

Charlies Shinpad · Feb 28, 2021

Somewhere in the depths of this site I flagged Watkins up when he was playing for Exeter.
Then again what do I know about strikers !!

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Swansman · Feb 28, 2021

Nothing like that is determined with just one transfer or just one summer. The main reasons Brighton is not in the top 10 is because about 100 years ago a bunch of clubs developed an advantage they have never lost and today this means they are big, global brands who in different ways aquire massive resources meaning they can, often without even thinking too much about it, spend massive money on quality players. Thats the main reason the club is where it is.

vagabond · Feb 28, 2021

Garfield said:
Ollie Watkins Brentford to Villa £27M.

Not blaming Bloom etc for not getting him, but we weren't even in the bidding as far as I know, quite odd when you think of him and Maupay together at Brentford, and were quite successful, he surely would have been a natural fit.

To me this smacks of us not wanting to take the chance on spending on a hungry young striker, perhaps not surprising after the money wasted on Andone, Locadia and imo Jakhanabash! Did we lose our nerve, or is the money now gone?

It has resulted in Murray not being replaced, and apart from a misfiring Maupay we have no strikers to improve us, as we are seeing dominating game after game currently.

I really don't get it, unless we're broke or we have bottled the chance?

It’s not breaking news.. there were a number of us here pretty aghast we weren’t in for Watkins and said as much at the time. Certainly the transfer fee seemed reasonable.

The perceived wisdom is that we couldn’t compete or get anywhere close to the wages Villa were offering.

blue-shifted · Feb 28, 2021

Then we'd have lost getting on for 100m quid

vagabond · Feb 28, 2021

Swansman said:
Nothing like that is determined with just one transfer or just one summer. The main reasons Brighton is not in the top 10 is because about 100 years ago a bunch of clubs developed an advantage they have never lost and today this means they are big, global brands who in different ways aquire massive resources meaning they can, often without even thinking too much about it, spend massive money on quality players. Thats the main reason the club is where it is.

Not quite. Some are. A lot of the big clubs from the formation era are nowhere near the top anymore, Blackpool, Stoke, Blackburn, Preston, Bolton (off the top of my head, sure a Stato will correct me).

And when I was a kid getting into football, Chelsea had been known as a bit of a yo-yo side until they started a new era with Hoddle as manager and then Gullit. And Man City were typically in the second division and struggled when promoted to the PL.

Sid in the Sharknado · Feb 28, 2021

Swansman said:
Nothing like that is determined with just one transfer or just one summer. The main reasons Brighton is not in the top 10 is because about 100 years ago a bunch of clubs developed an advantage they have never lost and today this means they are big, global brands who in different ways aquire massive resources meaning they can, often without even thinking too much about it, spend massive money on quality players. Thats the main reason the club is where it is.

When you put it like that, we've probably progressed the furthest over the last hundred years of any of the current Premier league clubs (no I haven't checked which league all of them were 100 years ago today). At least we're moving in the right direction, unlike some of the sides who had their success back in those days. At this rate we'll be champions of the universe in another 100 years.

Pevenseagull · Feb 28, 2021

Maupay has 7

Watkins has 10

Harry Wilson's tackle · Feb 28, 2021

Calling [MENTION=34942]Dr. No[/MENTION]

Sid in the Sharknado · Feb 28, 2021

vagabond said:
Not quite. Some are. A lot of the big clubs from the formation era are nowhere near the top anymore, Blackpool, Stoke, Blackburn, Preston, Bolton (off the top of my head, sure a Stato will correct me).

And when I was a kid getting into football, Chelsea had been known as a bit of a yo-yo side until they started a new era with Hoddle as manager and then Gullit. And Man City were typically in the second division and struggled when promoted to the PL.

I'm still backing Darwen to make a big comeback.

Weststander · Feb 28, 2021

“The money now gone?”.

It was spent a long time ago, and then some, to the tune of £10m’s subsidised in the EPL era out of TB’s pocket.

DJ NOBO · Feb 28, 2021

Garfield said:
Ollie Watkins Brentford to Villa £27M.

Not blaming Bloom etc for not getting him, but we weren't even in the bidding as far as I know, quite odd when you think of him and Maupay together at Brentford, and were quite successful, he surely would have been a natural fit.

To me this smacks of us not wanting to take the chance on spending on a hungry young striker, perhaps not surprising after the money wasted on Andone, Locadia and imo Jakhanabash! Did we lose our nerve, or is the money now gone?

It has resulted in Murray not being replaced, and apart from a misfiring Maupay we have no strikers to improve us, as we are seeing dominating game after game currently.

I really don't get it, unless we're broke or we have bottled the chance?

Welcome to the site Garfield. You sound quite battle-weary already.
You will be pleased to hear we don’t need strikers anyway.

Sid in the Sharknado · Feb 28, 2021

DJ NOBO said:
Welcome to the site Garfield. You sound quite battle-weary already.
You will be pleased to hear we don’t need strikers anyway.

They'll be fine once we're past Monday.

DarrenFreemansPerm · Feb 28, 2021

Pevenseagull said:
Maupay has 7

Watkins has 10

Imagine if those 3 additional goals had all been winners, we’d be sitting in 14th with 32 points and 9 points above the relegation zone.

timbha · Feb 28, 2021

Pevenseagull said:
Maupay has 7

Watkins has 10

And Maupay might have had 9 by now if he had taken the two pens yday.

sparkie · Feb 28, 2021

Yes.

Every season is determined by the Summer Transfer window.

southstandandy · Feb 28, 2021

I even suggested going for Toney but was laughed out of the building.

The £5m price tag (with another £5m in add ons) looks a snip, and I'd be surprised if he's not in the Prem next season either with Brentford, or for someone else for a fee far in excess of their £5m initial outlay. 24 years old, tall and quick which I felt would be worth taking a punt on, but most others thought we should have gone for Nunez and he's hardly pulling up any trees in Portugal in an inferior league (and cost 5 times that of Toney).

I said in the summer he would be the perfect type of forward for us but no sniff we even considered him. Oh well, I suppose he's only got 25 this season, so maybe's he's not all that.

Hugo Rune · Feb 28, 2021

southstandandy said:
I even suggested going for Toney but was laughed out of the building.......I'd be surprised if he's not in the Prem next season........24 years old, tall and quick which I felt would be worth taking a punt on.......I said in the summer he would be the perfect type of forward for us but no sniff we even considered him. Oh well, I suppose he's only got 25 this season, so maybe's he's not all that.

Maybe the problem is that he’s not that tall? I’m assuming that you’re about 4ft 10” if you classify 5ft 10” as tall? [emoji23]

southstandandy · Feb 28, 2021

Hugo Rune said:
Maybe the problem is that he’s not that tall? I’m assuming that you’re about 4ft 10” if you classify 5ft 10” as tall? [emoji23]

We could have done far worse than him in my view and could we not afford £5m? Didn't appear to even be on the clubs radar and I for one would have been happy to take a punt at £5m. In the end we sign a journey man injury prone striker and an injury prone midfielder. Don't think our 2 big additions this season have managed even 5 goals between them.

Swansman · Feb 28, 2021

southstandandy said:
We could have done far worse than him in my view and could we not afford £5m? Didn't appear to even be on the clubs radar and I for one would have been happy to take a punt at £5m. In the end we sign a journey man injury prone striker and an injury prone midfielder. Don't think our 2 big additions this season have managed even 5 goals between them.

Its a fee potentially rising to £33m and he is probably on a very high wage compared to all or most Brighton players.

The fee is just one reason though. Dean Smith was his manager in Brentford and it would have been very tricky to compete with them in trying to make him pick Brighton over Villa.

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