Green Cross Code Man
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A player can't touch the ball twice in succession whilst talking a penalty. Had the keeper saved it and it rebounded, that would be a different matter.
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[Albion] 2nd penalty
- Thread starter amexer
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Ok, but There’s a type of confidence and self assurance that can be learned in sport.
Take the last World Cup. The England team were mentally-conditioned to put their pens away in the shoot-out. They acted like robots. Even Eric Dier was never going to miss.
Those pens on Saturday - we were never going to score. They looked mentally fragile.
Pint of Ale and a Burger
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Ahhh ok,thanks for clearing that up.
I stand corrected and
In that case that was actually quite quick reactions by mason.
So you are using one situation and the words of one manager as proof that practicing penalties are perfectly reasonable?
As for your question - perhaps the abysmal record from open play is a very good reason to practice open play? What better they have to do? To practice situations that happens 10, 20 or 100 times per game rather than something that happens ca 10 times per season is far more logical and the approach pretty much every coach got.
I'm not saying you shouldnt practice penalties at all. Its probably done too little in most teams. 100 or 1000 is pointless however and to do it often is silly as penalties rarely happens as said in your Southgate quote it needs to replicate high pressure situations and if you take 100 penalties in a training session, the 67th is never going to be anything near a replica of a real situation.
Ultimately I agree it perhaps should be done more but I seriously doubt it is. If you watch 100 or 200 hours of random training sessions from different coaches, you'll find very few penalties. And the fact that only ca 60% of penalties taken when the team is behind gets scored while over 90% of the penalties taken while already ahead turns into goals, there's obviously more than "feeling comfortable about taking penalties", or ability, affecting the penalty taker.
They looked mentally fragile because they are mentally fragile (in front of goal) currently, no doubt. If the CP and/or Villa game were won, the likelyhood of scoring on one of those penalties would probably have been a lot higher. The second of those penalties was taken by a player who was part of the 2018 squad and should have gone through the "robot" conditioning (perhaps why he took it?) but nevertheless missed anyway. You can probably turn good confidence to great confidence through training, but I personally dont see a world where the (most likely) dire confidence in front of goal could reach any higher level than "slightly less dire" through anything but actually scoring.
Uh_huh_him
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There was a freak stat about Hemed being the player scoring penalties with the shortest distance away from the keeper, worldwide.
Basically he was able to watch which way the keeper was going and push the ball to the other side.
I think he has missed 2 in his career (1 for us??) scored 20 odd.
KeegansHairPiece
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It's not a panacea to all potential complexities of confidence, belief etc.
You also cannot conclude because the players lack confidence / belief in front of goal at the moment, the psychology dept. has failed. Who knows, without that department we may not have equalised against Wolves, scored against Leeds, Spurs and Liverpool and sit with just 16 points. Perhaps it is that department that turned the defending around in the new year and led to our unbeaten run. How can we know?
I agree with you 80%, but... I think it was Beckham who'd stay late after training and practise his free kicks, so it was automatic to drop the ball where he wanted to. I think there's an argument for plenty of penalty practice so that in the pressure situation the muscle memory of the practice can exceed the nerves of the pressure.
Of course, it may all be boll*cks.
Surely it's a more telling fact that our centre forward was nowhere near taking either of the penalties.
Surely it's a more telling fact that our centre forward was nowhere near taking either of the penalties.
Surely its even more telling you dont even consider Danny Welbeck a centre forward at this point...
Nigella's Cream Pie
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They should try the Ivan Toney method: stare at the keeper, I guess to judge which way he's going to move but also to put him off.
Result is he's scored all 7 of penalties taken for Brentford this season, including shoot outs.
Result is he's scored all 7 of penalties taken for Brentford this season, including shoot outs.
Mr Smggles
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I’d like to see Dunk to step up and take the next one. He usually takes them in the shootouts and needs to lead by example.
Arthritic Toe
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Me too. It annoys me that these people can't be bothered to even learn the rules of the game. You'd think if that was your job you might at least read the rulebook. It often happens with offsides too. The rules have changed over time, and whether they like the changes or not, you'd think they might take the time to at least learn the changes. Lawro - still calls offsides from the 70's rulebook.
albionalex
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He's not that likely to be on the pitch.
Good reason to start him.
Yeah, whatever.
Actually, to me it does make sense, because when I see ‘of’ written instead of ‘have’, I tend to not read the sentence properly and just have an internal “no!” bounce around my head. It’s the same when I hear some ex-footballer pundit say “it’s them things” or “it’s them players” on the radio. I don’t listen to the point they are actually making, I just hear something wrong.
D’you know what I mean, innit.
METALMICKY
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Now I'm of a certain age so I get misty eyed about all time great penalty takers. But as a kid just had to love the Dutchman Johan Neeskens. No messing about and no problem doing it in a World Cup final 2 minutes in!