[Albion] Why do we loan and not sell the out of favour players?

Seasider78 · Jan 31, 2021

Something that has been puzzling me given the losses reported but why do we always loan and not sell the players who are not in the managers plans?

Duffy - West Brom were sniffing around for a perm transfer could have maybe got £10m-£12m in the summer now after a horror show at Celtic will be lucky to get half of that.

Locadia - loan to Hoffenheim and then FC Cincinnati again value plummeted be lucky to give him away now

Ali J - looking at a loan away is there really nobody who will pay a fee for him?

Andone - loaned to galatasaray crocked now back at club no sign of a profit on what was originally a low fee we secured him for.

Ryan - not in managers plans wants to leave but loaned not sold

All of the above should of commanded a combined £30m + which would make a dent in the losses and get wages off the books yet we have taken the loan route and their market value has dropped significantly.

What is the reason wages, are they all so bad nobody wants to buy them, we think they will perform on loan and increase their value?

Just seems to be a approach that is contributing to our considerable loss given the lack of income for player sales

A1X · Jan 31, 2021

Because nobody's actually prepared to pay for them?

maltaseagull · Jan 31, 2021

Seasider78 said:
Something that has been puzzling me given the losses reported but why do we always loan and not sell the players who are not in the managers plans?

Duffy - West Brom were sniffing around for a perm transfer could have maybe got £10m-£12m in the summer now after a horror show at Celtic will be lucky to get half of that.

Locadia - loan to Hoffenheim and then FC Cincinnati again value plummeted be lucky to give him away now

Ali J - looking at a loan away is there really nobody who will pay a fee for him?

Andone - loaned to galatasaray crocked now back at club no sign of a profit on what was originally a low fee we secured him for.

Ryan - not in managers plans wants to leave but loaned not sold

All of the above should of commanded a combined £30m + which would make a dent in the losses and get wages off the books yet we have taken the loan route and their market value has dropped significantly.

What is the reason wages, are they all so bad nobody wants to buy them, we think they will perform on loan and increase their value?

Just seems to be a approach that is contributing to our considerable loss given the lack of income for player sales

I have an old Minolta XGM camera that doesn't work.
Despite various attempts, I can't sell it!

Icy Gull · Jan 31, 2021

On another note, we haven’t taken on any loanees have we? If Pep is so enamoured with GP why hasn’t he lent us a striker? I blame Barber :wink:

Farehamseagull · Jan 31, 2021

Err, I thought that was fairly obvious?

Worried Man Blues · Jan 31, 2021

If they are not making in the Premier League and we loan them to a lower side/ division where they flourish, they or a club near them will want them. Obviously if they do not do well at a lower div. we have a problem as do the players for their future. and then we get them returned !

Normandy seagull · Jan 31, 2021

Seasider78 said:
Something that has been puzzling me given the losses reported but why do we always loan and not sell the players who are not in the managers plans?

Duffy - West Brom were sniffing around for a perm transfer could have maybe got £10m-£12m in the summer now after a horror show at Celtic will be lucky to get half of that.

Locadia - loan to Hoffenheim and then FC Cincinnati again value plummeted be lucky to give him away now

Ali J - looking at a loan away is there really nobody who will pay a fee for him?

Andone - loaned to galatasaray crocked now back at club no sign of a profit on what was originally a low fee we secured him for.

Ryan - not in managers plans wants to leave but loaned not sold

All of the above should of commanded a combined £30m + which would make a dent in the losses and get wages off the books yet we have taken the loan route and their market value has dropped significantly.

What is the reason wages, are they all so bad nobody wants to buy them, we think they will perform on loan and increase their value?

Just seems to be a approach that is contributing to our considerable loss given the lack of income for player sales

Global pandemic innit- everyone’s skint

elwheelio · Jan 31, 2021

If you sell someone for a low fee after paying a lot, that loss is realised in your accounts. If you loan them I guess you can delay the inevitable.

Seasider78 · Jan 31, 2021

maltaseagull said:
I have an old Minolta XGM camera that doesn't work.
Despite various attempts, I can't sell it!

That would be the the Izquierdo the others all working apart from Andone who is in the repair shop

neilbard · Jan 31, 2021

Icy Gull said:
On another note, we haven’t taken on any loanees have we? If Pep is so enamoured with GP why hasn’t he lent us a striker? I blame Barber

And Pep.

Seasider78 · Jan 31, 2021

A1X said:
Because nobody's actually prepared to pay for them?

That’s not the case though is it as West Ham and West Brom were interested in buying Duffy but we chose to loan to Celtic as that was Shane’s preferred destination.

Also can’t believe given the competition when we signed that nobody would have been interested in Andone and Ali J (albeit at reduced sales values)

blue-shifted · Jan 31, 2021

Only PL clubs are paying high wages. Hence everyone wants to come here.

Once they're here, the players don't want to give up their contract. Some don't mind rotting in the periphery, like Ozil and just picking up the weekly cheque.

Others want to play, so agree to loan. But nobody can match our wages so we will have to make up the shortfall. My guess is that in most instances where we loan a player out, we will be paying well over half of the salary.

I can't think of a single example of where a player sitting on a good PL contract, agreed to a permanent transfer where that was going to significantly reduce their wages, but meant they had a better chance of game time.

Change at Barnham · Jan 31, 2021

No one wants to match the out of favour players wages.
If they match their wages the new club don't want to pay a transfer fee on a declining asset.

Which is why players like Lallana and Welbeck are free signings and if they hadn't been free signings they would have been loan signings.

Same thing with Locadia, Andone, Duffy, Ryan, Murray, Iziquerado when trying to move them off the books..

Shooting Star · Jan 31, 2021

A1X said:
Because nobody's actually prepared to pay for them?

ATFC Seagull · Jan 31, 2021

Duffy is the odd one out because we could have got a lot of money for him, but didn't want to sell to immediate rivals.

All the others, you can't help thinking that we must have paid too much and be paying them too high ages.

GT49er · Jan 31, 2021

The players also may not agree to being sold if the buying club is offering lower wages.

Swansman · Jan 31, 2021

Seasider78 said:
That’s not the case though is it as West Ham and West Brom were interested in buying Duffy but we chose to loan to Celtic as that was Shane’s preferred destination.

Also can’t believe given the competition when we signed that nobody would have been interested in Andone and Ali J (albeit at reduced sales values)

Just because transfer rumours said that West Ham & West Brom wanted to buy him doesnt make it true.

Clubs dont buy players with ACL injuries, meaning Andone was going nowhere last summer and is very unlikely going anywhere right now either as GP said two weeks ago that February-March is the realistic return date for him... and I would guess March is far more likely than February.

Director of football in AZ said that Brighton offered Ali J to them last summer and that they had a quick word with Ali J but that "things had changed" (= he probably has no interest in sacrificing two thirds of his wage to play in the Eredivisie). Surely means he was offered to other clubs as well, but no takers.

Its a lot easier to buy players than to sell them.

Cowfold Seagull · Jan 31, 2021

A1X said:
Because nobody's actually prepared to pay for them?

Has to be the correct answer, particularly in this Covid infected world. There really is less money around even at the majority of Premier League clubs.

Taking a player on loan is seen as a much cheaper, and less risky option.

vagabond · Jan 31, 2021

A1X said:
Because nobody's actually prepared to pay for them?

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Seasider78 · Jan 31, 2021

Swansman said:
Just because transfer rumours said that West Ham & West Brom wanted to buy him doesnt make it true.

Clubs dont buy players with ACL injuries, meaning Andone was going nowhere last summer and is very unlikely going anywhere right now either as GP said two weeks ago that February-March is the realistic return date for him... and I would guess March is far more likely than February.

Director of football in AZ said that Brighton offered Ali J to them last summer and that they had a quick word with Ali J but that "things had changed" (= he probably has no interest in sacrificing two thirds of his wage to play in the Eredivisie). Surely means he was offered to other clubs as well, but no takers.

Its a lot easier to buy players than to sell them.

True and maybe those clubs did not meet our valuation but one thing beyond dispute is now Duffy’s value is significantly lower than at the point we loaned him.

Andone agree on last summer but my post was more a general trend with the Albion rather than a single transfer window. He wanted out prior to his injury and we had paid £10m below what we had previously been quoted having triggered a clause in his contract. Maybe as others have mentioned PL wages are the barrier that blocks a sale but at the time before Injury Andone looked like player it would be hard not to make a profit on.

Ali J we may just have to accept we paid over the odds on wages and transfer and will pay for that financially over the duration of his contract

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