EU and AstraZeneca

Neville's Breakfast · Jan 27, 2021

Doonhamer7 said:
Not true, each country is able to do their own thing and we were still in the EU when decision was made, big thing was we actually placed our order early - feels like one of the few things the govt. got right

The EU has been negotiating collectively for its members and will allot vaccines in proportion to population. This is not unexpected. It is what the EU is for. As mentioned earlier the AstraZeneca vaccine hasn’t as yet been approved for use within the EU. There is more to our advantage than early ordering and co-operative working with AstraZeneca. It is also the ability to approve/license the vaccines. The success of our vaccination programme so far has been dependent on all of these factors.

vegster · Jan 27, 2021

Is it PotG? said:
I agree with you, thank goodness we're out of that bureaucratic mess of an organisation.

Remember that quote in a few years time when you are working a 50 hour week, have no Sick Pay or Maternity/Paternity Leave and the only benefit you have is cheaper tampons.

Is it PotG? · Jan 27, 2021

vegster said:
Remember that quote in a few years time when you are working a 50 hour week, have no Sick Pay or Maternity/Paternity Leave and the only benefit you have is cheaper tampons.

You're laugh-a-minute aren't you?

Easy 10 · Jan 27, 2021

Notters said:
I'm not arguing that the EU hasn't cocked up here. But that it wouldn't have affected the UK

The MHRA regulates medicines in the UK and always has done.

The widespread media coverage of this directly contradicts your assertion.

golddene · Jan 27, 2021

JC Footy Genius said:
All but one (?) EU member state delegated vaccine procurement to the Commission instead of acting independently because one of the major reasons for being a member is to act collectively because it supposedly gets better results .... not in this case. The EU failed its members, they should take responsibility.

Hungary have ordered some of the Sputnik vaccine and i am sure i read earlier that Germany have ordered 30m Pfeizer (sp) doses separately from the EU's order which they will obviously be a partner to.

Butch Willykins · Jan 27, 2021

Doonhamer7 said:
we were still in the EU when decision was made

We left the EU in January 2020.

vegster · Jan 27, 2021

Is it PotG? said:
You're laugh-a-minute aren't you?

Best put me on "Ignore " then ?

PILTDOWN MAN · Jan 27, 2021

Bodian said:
We could have approved and ordered vaccine independently, even if we had still been in the EU. So, whilst the EU as a bloc haven't done very well - it is not because we have left the EU that we were ahead of the game.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

So just to reflect on this, if the vote had been to stay in the EU, the likelihood would be a very different government in power. While the overall Covid response might have been very different there's almost certainty we would have remained in the EU procurement of the vaccine.

Notters · Jan 27, 2021

Bodian said:
We could have approved and ordered vaccine independently, even if we had still been in the EU. So, whilst the EU as a bloc haven't done very well - it is not because we have left the EU that we were ahead of the game.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

Thank you.

Is it PotG? · Jan 27, 2021

vegster said:
Best put me on "Ignore " then ?

Why would I spoil my own fun?

Giraffe · Jan 27, 2021

The one thing our Government got very right was backing our Oxford Uni to produce the goods, hence the massive order they made very early on (100million v just 5million for Pfizer) and then fast tracked the approval. The EU were miles behind. People will die in the EU as a result of their failure which is shocking.

Blue Valkyrie · Jan 27, 2021

swindonseagull said:
Waiting for the EU lovers ......zafarelly?

Most EU "lovers" would defend the EU when it merits it.

This doesn't look like one of those times.

I suspect you'll be waiting for a while but whatever floats your boat. :shrug:

Neville's Breakfast · Jan 27, 2021

Bodian said:
We could have approved and ordered vaccine independently, even if we had still been in the EU. So, whilst the EU as a bloc haven't done very well - it is not because we have left the EU that we were ahead of the game.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

I think the point here is that going it alone with ordering vaccines has paid off. It highlights the fact that working in tandem with 27 other nations is not always the panacea claimed by some.

clapham_gull · Jan 27, 2021

Butch Willykins said:
We left the EU in January 2020.

But were in a transition period until 31 Dec 2020 and still under EU law when it came to vaccination approval. We utilised EU law to approve internally for emergency usage.

Hancock tried desperately to spin this as a Brexit bonus, but it was none of the sort. Just a big fat whopper.

clapham_gull · Jan 27, 2021

Giraffe said:
The one thing our Government got very right was backing our Oxford Uni to produce the goods, hence the massive order they made very early on (100million v just 5million for Pfizer) and then fast tracked the approval. The EU were miles behind. People will die in the EU as a result of their failure which is shocking.

Not much to do with Brexit, but they made the correct spin of the dice.

PILTDOWN MAN · Jan 27, 2021

vegster said:
Remember that quote in a few years time when you are working a 50 hour week, have no Sick Pay or Maternity/Paternity Leave and the only benefit you have is cheaper tampons.

Apart from the fact SSP M/P Leave is not and has not been set by the EU or even protected by.

larus · Jan 27, 2021

Notters said:
Well yes, as we would have both - as some EU countries have, such as Hungary I believe.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong though.

From what I’ve read, the EU countries were NOT ALLOWED to deal directly. This has caused a huge outcry in Germany for example. There a numerous articles I’ve read which explain the politics of this, as, for example, they wanted to order enough of another vaccine which was being developed jointly by a French company, which subsequently failed in trials. The French wanted to get their share of the business.

The point is, if we were still in the EU, we would have had to stick to the EU rules.

So, in response to your first post, this is a CLEAR BENEFIT of BREXIT, much to your annoyance I assume.

BTW, there is a lot of anger on the continent about this fiasco from the EU, as it’s potentially going to cost lives and will lead to even more Euro-scepticism across EU states. Its days are numbered - just that many still can’t see it.

Butch Willykins · Jan 27, 2021

clapham_gull said:
But were in a transition period until 31 Dec 2020 and still under EU law when it came to vaccination approval. We utilised EU law to approve internally for emergency usage.

Hancock tried desperately to spin this as a Brexit bonus, but it was none of the sort. Just a big fat whopper.

If we weren’t already leaving then I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t have gone alone. Why has no one else gone alone?

Chicken Run · Jan 27, 2021

vegster said:
Remember that quote in a few years time when you are working a 50 hour week, have no Sick Pay or Maternity/Paternity Leave and the only benefit you have is cheaper tampons.

In 4 years ( which tbf are a few) do you not think there will be a Socialist Government calling the shots in Parliament?

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Biscuit Barrel · Jan 27, 2021

vegster said:
Remember that quote in a few years time when you are working a 50 hour week, have no Sick Pay or Maternity/Paternity Leave and the only benefit you have is cheaper tampons.

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