The Fits
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Actually, you win this morning.
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[Albion] Why Are We So Wasteful?
- Thread starter Hornblower
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Actually, you win this morning.
Baldseagull
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Across the season, we have scored 1 goal for every 10 shots taken, yesterday was no different. Our shooting accuracy in the Premier League is 28%
el punal
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Can you coach a player to have a killer instinct in front of goal? The last Albion player to have that consistent knack of knowing where the goal was - and scoring - was Glenn Murray. Perhaps the best of the bunch at the moment is Neal Maupay and that was a glaring miss of his when he could have made it 3-1. I can only think that it’s a confidence issue amongst all the players. A sight on goal and the attempt is rushed, or a player panicking and deciding to pass when shooting would have been the better option (and of course the reverse decision).
The unsettling thing is that so many attempts are not on target and some so wayward it beggars belief. Maybe Potter needs to put his psychological techniques to the test, a bit of ballet practice for the lads? I’m sure that’ll keep them on their toes.
albionalbino
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Welbeck lacks fitness
Maupay lacks consistency
MacAllister lacks confidence
Connolly lacks experience
Zeqiri lacks talent.
Jahanbaksh lacks Eredivisie defenders who give him time and space.
Trossard should play wider putting in crosses which he's very good at.
Maupay lacks consistency
MacAllister lacks confidence
Connolly lacks experience
Zeqiri lacks talent.
Jahanbaksh lacks Eredivisie defenders who give him time and space.
Trossard should play wider putting in crosses which he's very good at.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
True. I watched the Cheltenham v Man City game yesterday. Man City fans must have been tearing their hair out for 85 mins. Then, once they’d got their equaliser, they scored two more in quick succession.
You asked for stats (I am not a stats man, but nowadays it is easy to find these kind of things) -
https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/chancenverwertung/pokalwettbewerb/GB1 - we are currently 15th in the league for conversion of shots to goals (roughly the same as our league position).
We are 9th in that same table, and above teams such as Spurs and Leicester, for shots taken. That, on it'sown, strikes me as a good thing (accepting that if we had an £80m striker, our conversion rate would probably increase).
So, if we could only pick up a striker that had a very high coversion rate, we would be very comfortable. Anyone know of a team that has one of those sitting on the bench unable to get a first-team place, and is very cheap?
It's quite simple to look at individual's stats nowadays, as well as teams.
For example, Bissouma has had about one shot per appearance, scored 2 goals out of 66 attempts (11 attempts were on target). I think that the man is absolute class, and simply use this to state that stats do not always tell the whole story. See https://www.premierleague.com/players/50245/Yves-Bissouma/stats for Bissouma's stats, and search for any others that you wish from there.
Just beware of 'confirmation bias' (looking for stats that back up your initial thoughts / feelings / instinct / prejudice) when trawling these kinds of figures.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/premier-league/chancenverwertung/pokalwettbewerb/GB1 - we are currently 15th in the league for conversion of shots to goals (roughly the same as our league position).
We are 9th in that same table, and above teams such as Spurs and Leicester, for shots taken. That, on it'sown, strikes me as a good thing (accepting that if we had an £80m striker, our conversion rate would probably increase).
So, if we could only pick up a striker that had a very high coversion rate, we would be very comfortable. Anyone know of a team that has one of those sitting on the bench unable to get a first-team place, and is very cheap?
It's quite simple to look at individual's stats nowadays, as well as teams.
For example, Bissouma has had about one shot per appearance, scored 2 goals out of 66 attempts (11 attempts were on target). I think that the man is absolute class, and simply use this to state that stats do not always tell the whole story. See https://www.premierleague.com/players/50245/Yves-Bissouma/stats for Bissouma's stats, and search for any others that you wish from there.
Just beware of 'confirmation bias' (looking for stats that back up your initial thoughts / feelings / instinct / prejudice) when trawling these kinds of figures.
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CaptainDaveUK
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Correct. In the Prem there are a few other teams who should have scored more than they have. We should have scored about 5 more than we have so far this season. We should also have conceded 5 less than we have. If we’d scored and conceded our expected goals on chances created we would be in 10th position on 28 points. Here’s all the stats in a table.... https://understat.com/league/EPL
Personally, I think we score too many goals as it is.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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for me its more than simple confidence, there is a lack of assertiveness and competitiveness. both defence and attack leading to sloppy goals and wasted chances.
That's a good point. Despite all the raging about missed chances, the stats (I know xG is not exactly scientific) suggest we should have scored 5 more goals. Some would make you believe we should be scoring 5 more goals every game.
I do blame Potter. Has he heard of shooting practice? Andy Cole built finishing into his muscle memory by practicing finishing over and over again.
If we are not going to invest in a new target man (we should) then all our strikers, and those Potter incorrectly claims are strikers, should not stop practicing their finishing.
There is ZERO evidence any of our squad do this.
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Totally disagree. We very often create more chances than our opponents but our conversation rate is woeful.
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Bingo.
ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
Out of interest, are you basing that on stats? I have a suspicion that the stats skew this a bit as we do take a lot of shots, but they're often from outside the box or poor positions in the box - lots of half chances. I can't recall loads of "got to score here" moments in many games, or opposition keepers who've had blinders against us. Obviously you or others might feel games have been different.
Worried Man Blues
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I was just going to post the same thing about Cole, he repeated scenarios so it became as wrote, so he didn't have to think it became instinctive. What exactly would forwards train to do otherwise? Does Potter stop them shooting in practice, I would hope not!
Why shoot when you can pass? That's the Potterball philosophy.
Si Gull
Way Down South
Agreed, we seem to lack the ability to put games to bed either by scoring more or preventing the opposition from scoring. Someone else mentioned margins and, like all top level sports, I think that's the issue. We're not as bad as some believe but we're just falling short and that's costing us. Somehow we have to find that extra couple of % and that has to be down to the coaching staff as much as the players, most of whom are quite capable of playing at EPL level.