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[Politics] ***Biden/Harris Inauguration - Official Match Thread***



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Jolly Red Giant

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clapham_gull said:
And there in a nutshell describes the ideological blinkered cul-de-sac the left have reversed themselves blinded in the last few years. Waiting for the Great Leap Forward.

The revolution IS NOT a T-Shirt away.....
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So you think we have no choice but to accept a racist bankrupt businessman who talks bullsh*t or a racist imperialist who will do the bidding of US financial capital and engage in imperialist wars.

A bit like saying there is no choice but to choose between Bojo and Thatcher (and I am not including Starmer because he has already proven himself to be a useful idiot for the Tories)
 




clapham_gull

clapham_gull

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Jolly Red Giant said:
So you think we have no choice but to accept a racist bankrupt businessman who talks bullsh*t or a racist imperialist who will do the bidding of US financial capital and engage in imperialist wars.

A bit like saying there is no choice but to choose between Bojo and Thatcher (and I am not including Starmer because he has already proven himself to be a useful idiot for the Tories)
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You've done it again comrade.

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Jolly Red Giant said:
I would have voted for Howie Hawkins - a left-wing green.

If I was in the USA I would be campaigning for the establishment of a mass working class party (something which is actually a realistic prospect given the turmoil over the past year - and something that will be accelerate by the pro-big business policies of Biden/Harris).
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It isn't always obvious where high mindedness and principle end, and self-indulgence begins.

I have never heard of Hawkins. How is one man supposed to take on an electoral college?
 




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knocky1

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carlzeiss said:
:Looks like business as usual in Portland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNkx7b0phJE
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Apparently they threw eggs at the Dem Party office and demanded the immediate removal of Churchill’s bust from Biden’s office. This has been done immediately.

On a serious note Trump supported far right loons whilst Biden’s men in uniform have teargassed a few Antifa loons from a mainly peaceful small protest of 150.
 




carlzeiss

carlzeiss

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knocky1 said:
Apparently they threw eggs at the Dem Party office and demanded the immediate removal of Churchill’s bust from Biden’s office. This has been done immediately.

On a serious note Trump supported far right loons whilst Biden’s men in uniform have teargassed a few Antifa loons from a mainly peaceful small protest of 150.
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Those eggs can leave quite a mess :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnw433RW3to
 


DavidinSouthampton

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clapham_gull said:
And there in a nutshell describes the ideological blinkered cul-de-sac the left have reversed themselves blinded in the last few years. Waiting for the Great Leap Forward.

The revolution IS NOT a T-Shirt away.....
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Genuine question - what do yo mean by left - I.e. what degree: anyone vaguely left of centre or card carrying communists..... or starting somewhere in between.

Many years ago I was “condemned” in our local paper during an exchange of letters for being a socialist by a local Tory councillor just because I had a Vote Labour sticker in my window. I wouldn’t describe myself as a socialist, more a social Democrat, but neither would I dismiss it as the epitome of evil. While never having voted conservative, I would say I’ve got more common ground with Ken Clarke than with Jeremy Corbyn.
 


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RossyG

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Jolly Red Giant said:
So you think we have no choice but to accept a racist bankrupt businessman who talks bullsh*t or a racist imperialist who will do the bidding of US financial capital and engage in imperialist wars.
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We as in the British people? Well... yes.

Luckily whoever is the America President it doesn’t affect our day to day lives that much. I’m surprised non-Americans get so excited over it.
 


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knocky1

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Jolly Red Giant

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
It isn't always obvious where high mindedness and principle end, and self-indulgence begins.

I have never heard of Hawkins. How is one man supposed to take on an electoral college?
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So you believe that people should just sit back and accept not just an undemocratic - but an anti-democratic - political institution that restricts the rights of US citizens to exercise any democratic control over it electoral system?

If that was the case we would still be living with slavery.

And by the way - Howie Hawkins secured more than 3 million votes - despite being undemocratically removed from the ballot paper in several states by Democrat judges.

To demonstrate - in the USA voters can register as Republican or Democrat so that they can vote in party primaries. This process ensures that the two main parties can claim that they are assisting voters with exercising their democratic rights, when in fact this system accentuates the anti-democratic nature of the electoral college. Of registered voters - 33% are registered Democrat and 29% are registered Republican - but the largest group - 34% - register as independent (i.e. they want nothing to do with either party). The party primaries are highly manipulated to achieve a desired outcome by the party hierarchies - as demonstrated in particular when Bernie Sanders was shafted at the Democratic convention in 2016 despite having the primary votes to be the candidate. On top of that - both parties use their power in individual states to engage in widespread purges of the electoral rolls. Prior to the recent Presidential election, the Republicans controlling Georgia (they ones that Trump spent nearly two months attacking because they wouldn't change the result of the vote) fraudulently removed more than 200,000 voters from the electoral roles - depriving them of their democratic rights. Furthermore, not only are independents the largest category of voter in the USA - almost 1 in every 4 eligible adults in the USA don't even bother to register because they don't see the point - that is 51 million adult Americans are so alienated by the anti-democratic electoral system that they have just given up on it. Turnout in the US presidential election usually hovers between 50%-60% - more than 100million Americans don't vote in elections. And then when the votes are counted the result is manipulated by the electoral college - you could win 70%-80% of the popular vote and still lose the election.
 


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Jolly Red Giant

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RossyG said:
We as in the British people? Well... yes.

Luckily whoever is the America President it doesn’t affect our day to day lives that much. I’m surprised non-Americans get so excited over it.
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America is the most powerful state on the planet - politically, economically and militarily - everything the elites in the USA do impacts on the rest of the planet. Biden has already started increasing the number of US troops in Iraq (and he is only in office a few wet hours) - remember how the USA use their puppet Blair to frog-march Britain into engaging in an illegal war in Iraq? How many British soldiers died as a result of that adventure and how many families are left without loved ones as a result?
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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Jolly Red Giant said:
America is the most powerful state on the planet - politically, economically and militarily - everything the elites in the USA do impacts on the rest of the planet. Biden has already started increasing the number of US troops in Iraq (and he is only in office a few wet hours) - remember how the USA use their puppet Blair to frog-march Britain into engaging in an illegal war in Iraq? How many British soldiers died as a result of that adventure and how many families are left without loved ones as a result?
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Nothing like looking on the bright side, & that’s nothing like looking on the bright side.
 






vegster

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May 5, 2008
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bn9 bha said:
Match over and straight back to arguing about American politics :)
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Well, you wouldn't want poor old Tyrone Biggums out of a job now would you ? he can now draw upon his mastery of obscure US politics to trawl up some fantastic conspiracy theories until another Trump turns up.
 








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