Capitalism v Socialism

beorhthelm said:

you can prove anything with cherry picking how about trying Venezuela and Singapore?

i note no mention of the massive oil exports from Norway. mixed capitalist-socialism (really what it is) is a good idea, when you can afford it and theres a general acceptance of it. we seem to be mostly happy about it here, arguing over how much government should take and spend, rather than the principle if they should take at all. then there are the socialist who'd rather do away with the capitalist part and state control more. that is were it all goes wrong, every time.

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Randy McNob said:

I've always been mystified as to why everyday people defend the virtues of capitalism, even more so recently, and socialism is such a dirty word. Whatever people's opinions the very heart of socialism is to benefit everyday people so why wouldn't people be in favour of a system that works for them?

Look at the comparison below, the Norway Democratic Socialism model v US Unfettered Capitalism. I know which i'd rather have

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Hastings gull said:

I never cease to be amazed at how naive people can be and blind themselves to reality, simply to fit everything in to their narrative. If only you could have been with me outside a lidl in Bavaria in summer 1990, close to the then recently-opened inner-German border, and watched hundreds of freed East Germans push and shove each other to get at nappies, fresh fruit, fruit juice, clothing and fresh bread. Rolls for breakfast had to be ordered a week beforehand in the then socilaist utopia which apparently, accoridng to you, was of benefit to everyday people. You might just have had second thoughts, but somehow, sadly, I doubt it.

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Hastings gull said:

I never cease to be amazed at how naive people can be and blind themselves to reality, simply to fit everything in to their narrative. If only you could have been with me outside a lidl in Bavaria in summer 1990, close to the then recently-opened inner-German border, and watched hundreds of freed East Germans push and shove each other to get at nappies, fresh fruit, fruit juice, clothing and fresh bread. Rolls for breakfast had to be ordered a week beforehand in the then socilaist utopia which apparently, accoridng to you, was of benefit to everyday people. You might just have had second thoughts, but somehow, sadly, I doubt it.

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portslade seagull said:

But according to Mcnob socialism works, it's not like Putin hasn't built himself a 2b hideaway

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Randy McNob said:

Not according to me, according to the source.

One could argue because of Trump democracy doesn't work

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Hastings gull said:

I never cease to be amazed at how naive people can be and blind themselves to reality, simply to fit everything in to their narrative. If only you could have been with me outside a lidl in Bavaria in summer 1990, close to the then recently-opened inner-German border, and watched hundreds of freed East Germans push and shove each other to get at nappies, fresh fruit, fruit juice, clothing and fresh bread. Rolls for breakfast had to be ordered a week beforehand in the then socilaist utopia which apparently, accoridng to you, was of benefit to everyday people. You might just have had second thoughts, but somehow, sadly, I doubt it.

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portslade seagull said:

But according to Mcnob socialism works, it's not like Putin hasn't built himself a 2b hideaway

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KeegansHairPiece said:

Never ceases to amaze me that people confuse Communism with all forms of Socialism. It's a pretty entrenched view that socialism = post WWII East Germany or the USSR. Democratic Socialism exists right now, working quite happily in countries a short flight or boat ride away. It's not a scary monster.

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KeegansHairPiece said:

Never ceases to amaze me that people confuse Communism with all forms of Socialism. It's a pretty entrenched view that socialism = post WWII East Germany or the USSR. Democratic Socialism exists right now, working quite happily in countries a short flight or boat ride away. It's not a scary monster.

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