[Albion] Alzate and Molumby

Braggfan · Nov 30, 2020

It's disappointing that Alzate and Molumby haven't had more game time. Molumby asked for game time either in the first team or another loan and we haven't given him either, I can't imagine he'll be too thrilled at that. I would think at the very least a loan move will be on the cards, but I could see him leaving permanently in January or the summer.

jcdenton08 · Nov 30, 2020

Potter can only pick 11 players, some have to miss out. He has been incredibly brave with his selections, dropping established players with strong pedigrees (Barcelona regular Montoya, Dutch international Pröpper, et al) if they aren't performing.

If he picks Alzate, who does he drop? Bissouma has been a key player and one of our best this season. Groß? Been outstanding the last few games and has fought his way into the team.

You can't pick them all and fans on forums will always debate why XYZ player doesn't get a game. Right now it's Alzate, but if he plays a few and we don't win, there will be an identical forum asking why Groß was dropped when he's statistically our most creative player.

Football fans have very selective short-term memories. We are passionate and entitled.

My view on Alzate? Decent prospect, been eased into being a top level footballer. A player whose only prior league football experience was with Leyton Orient in League 2, who has been thrown as a young man into the best league in the world. Very much part of the squad. Full of promise and prone to mistakes which people forget about.

Tires into the game, has made two mistakes which led directly to goals.

He's where he should be, fighting for a place in a team in the top English league.

GT49er · Nov 30, 2020

Swansman said:
Not sure why you are obsessed with the idea that once you've had a good season in the Championship, you would get nothing out of playing there again.

Not obsessed, so please don't exaggerate.

I'm sure he enjoyed his year at 'Wall, just as Ben White did at Leeds, so in one respect he might enjoy repeating the experience. But career wise, it would seem like stagnation, like completing an apprenticeship successfully and then being told to do it again. Certainly it wouldn't seem like progress - just ask Matt Clarke.
Of course they will need some patience - but patience is a finite quality. If no/hardly any game time this season I can see transfer requests coming in in the summer.

One Love · Nov 30, 2020

Swansman said:
My take continues to be that something is wrong with Alzate. I remember last season when he suddenly disappeared and only featured sparingly and it turned out he was carrying some injury niggle pretty much from October onwards that they were hoping would self-heal but in the end required surgery. With his massive injury history, I wouldnt be surprised if its something similar this time around. Cant be sure of course, but I think something is up.

I've been thinking the same.

However if so, why include him in the march day squad every game?

warmleyseagull · Nov 30, 2020

jcdenton08 said:
Potter can only pick 11 players, some have to miss out. He has been incredibly brave with his selections, dropping established players with strong pedigrees (Barcelona regular Montoya, Dutch international Pröpper, et al) if they aren't performing.

If he picks Alzate, who does he drop? Bissouma has been a key player and one of our best this season. Groß? Been outstanding the last few games and has fought his way into the team.

You can't pick them all and fans on forums will always debate why XYZ player doesn't get a game. Right now it's Alzate, but if he plays a few and we don't win, there will be an identical forum asking why Groß was dropped when he's statistically our most creative player.

Football fans have very selective short-term memories. We are passionate and entitled.

My view on Alzate? Decent prospect, been eased into being a top level footballer. A player whose only prior league football experience was with Leyton Orient in League 2, who has been thrown as a young man into the best league in the world. Very much part of the squad. Full of promise and prone to mistakes which people forget about.

Tires into the game, has made two mistakes which led directly to goals.

He's where he should be, fighting for a place in a team in the top English league.

This - never mind Alzate. MacAllister hasn't even made squad for last 2 (or is he injured?).

AZ Gull · Nov 30, 2020

warmleyseagull said:
This - never mind Alzate. MacAllister hasn't even made squad for last 2 (or is he injured?).

He has had a case of the Covids.

vagabond · Nov 30, 2020

Swansman said:
My take continues to be that something is wrong with Alzate. I remember last season when he suddenly disappeared and only featured sparingly and it turned out he was carrying some injury niggle pretty much from October onwards that they were hoping would self-heal but in the end required surgery. With his massive injury history, I wouldnt be surprised if its something similar this time around. Cant be sure of course, but I think something is up.

Totally agree. Alzate has been sensational for Potter, no way he’s been dropped and never even coming on as sub. I too think there’s an injury.

But why put him on the bench if he’s never going to come on? That’s what I don’t get.

GT49er · Nov 30, 2020

jcdenton08 said:
My view on Alzate? Decent prospect, been eased into being a top level footballer. A player whose only prior league football experience was with Leyton Orient in League 2, who has been thrown as a young man into the best league in the world.

We'll just discount his very successful loan at Swindon then shall we?

AZ Gull · Nov 30, 2020

Both start for the U-23s this evening.

GT49er · Nov 30, 2020

Would be good to watch - will Southampton be showing it, do you know?

kemptown kid · Nov 30, 2020

No doubt frustrating for Alzate, Molumby etc, but being part of a Premier League team's squad not too shabby for such young players - if they train well I'm sure their opportunities will arise over the course of the season - injuries, suspensions, cup matches... Delighted we have real depth to the squad,blending promising prospects and experienced players.

schmunk · Nov 30, 2020

kemptown kid said:
No doubt frustrating for Alzate, Molumby etc, but being part of a Premier League team's squad not too shabby for such young players - if they train well I'm sure their opportunities will arise over the course of the season - injuries, suspensions, cup matches... Delighted we have real depth to the squad,blending promising prospects and experienced players.

The Southampton starting 11 contains 8 fringe players who have played at least once in the PL, so they're in good company...

AZ Gull · Nov 30, 2020

GT49er said:
Would be good to watch - will Southampton be showing it, do you know?

No evidence that the match is being screened.

Badger Boy · Nov 30, 2020

I hope the phantom injury the regularly on the bench for first team games Alzate is suffering from won't be aggravated by playing a match.

It's a very strong line up across the board in many respects, but I am surprised there's no Zeqiri.

hampshirebrightonboy · Nov 30, 2020

Don’t forget Max Saunders is not too shabby either. With Moder to come in not sure how they will all fit in. Hope we don’t sell one or two only for them to become established premier league players elsewhere like Steve Cook

GT49er · Nov 30, 2020

schmunk said:
The Southampton starting 11 contains 8 fringe players who have played at least once in the PL, so they're in good company...

Not a bad Albion side either - three full internationals in there!

SimpKingpin · Nov 30, 2020

I was surprised to see this line up. So strong compared to U23 games I've seen this season.

But where is Zeqiri? Did we promise his Dad he'd only play in the senior team...and now he's not playing at all?

EDIT: I assumed this thread was about today's U23 team. Didn't see the first post.

Farehamseagull · Nov 30, 2020

hampshirebrightonboy said:
Don’t forget Max Saunders is not too shabby either. With Moder to come in not sure how they will all fit in. Hope we don’t sell one or two only for them to become established premier league players elsewhere like Steve Cook

There’s a very good chance that may well happen though, you can’t keep everyone. It’s up to the club to make sure we keep the players who will be best for us in the long term.

The Cook example is a good one, yes he did very well for Bournemouth but we haven’t struggled for decent centre backs in that time either have we? At the time he wasn’t close to be being first choice so had to move on for his own career.
It worked out well all round.

Sheebo · Nov 30, 2020

Alzate was first choice at start of season. Still think he should be starting most games personally. So good on the ball.

jcdenton08 · Dec 1, 2020

sheebo said:
Alzate was first choice at start of season. Still think he should be starting most games personally. So good on the ball.

Who would you drop?

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