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PM's announcement - at some point today, when he feels like it







yxee

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Oct 24, 2011
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Anything this govt does is wrong if you're anti Tory. But having said that I do hope to hear a good reason why we waited so long, the timing seems quite poor this time around
 


TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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Anything this govt does is wrong if you're anti Tory. But having said that I do hope to hear a good reason why we waited so long, the timing seems quite poor this time around
They were hoping to avoid a national lockdown altogether because of money

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vegster

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May 5, 2008
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I booked next week off work only last week grrr...
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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Just shut pubs and restaurants ffs, furlough those staff and support that those businesses.

What about the businesses in the supply chain?

It’s not that simple.

Why should pubs and restaurants get that level of support whilst self employed have had nothing?

How about retail shops?
 




beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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I wish I could say you couldn't make it up, but I have no idea what he will actually say. Complete lockdown, but not for another few days (how many and why?). We couldn't take Sage advice 3 weeks ago because we thought we'd take a gamble, then couldn't back down because it would look like we were doing what Starmer wanted. Now the situation has totally changed (as, er Sage, predicted) we will now go into total lockdown, but I must emphasize it will be a different total lockdown to the one the opportunist Starmer, advocated.

the Sage advice is heavily bias to medical only opinion, while government have to weigh up a few others. Sage advise back formed in September was full lockdown, excluding education (largest single source of cases at time), when most the country had low levels - would you honestly have followed that if you had to look at wider impacts? at the time we had councils with high rates objecting to some greater restrictions, to save the pubs. if people actually followed the simple guidance (also from Sage) then we might not be here - its spreading in the community. one month on, things have changed, the weight of information and outcomes change.

dont think it will be full lockdown like spring. it'll be national tier 3 ish, or some other contrivance, because they need to avoid lockdown for both the economy and politics. i think they are following France and others, we may not need a stricter lockdown now but they are gambling on acting rather give it another week or two and see how stats are. or they have seen something nasty in source data this week.
 


ManOfSussex

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Apr 11, 2016
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Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Sturgeon asking people not to travel to or from England and Drakeford saying the Welsh cabinet will discuss potential border issues tomorrow that may arise from the 4pm announcement. I wonder what's going to be announced. ???
 










Grombleton

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Dec 31, 2011
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Pubs to continue to close at 10pm

At 22:01, The Purge starts.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

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Oct 8, 2003
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the Sage advice is heavily bias to medical only opinion, while government have to weigh up a few others. Sage advise back formed in September was full lockdown, excluding education (largest single source of cases at time), when most the country had low levels - would you honestly have followed that if you had to look at wider impacts? at the time we had councils with high rates objecting to some greater restrictions, to save the pubs. if people actually followed the simple guidance (also from Sage) then we might not be here - its spreading in the community. one month on, things have changed, the weight of information and outcomes change.

dont think it will be full lockdown like spring. it'll be national tier 3 ish, or some other contrivance, because they need to avoid lockdown for both the economy and politics. i think they are following France and others, we may not need a stricter lockdown now but they are gambling on acting rather give it another week or two and see how stats are. or they have seen something nasty in source data this week.

That's what was said on the radion this morning.

Yes, I am perhaps being unfair to Boris, but I was not impressed when he accused Starmer of opportunism when he advocated following Sage advice.

All that said, as I posted elsewhere, if Covid is a seasonal flu (as the Hopkins data suggests) the rises and falls in cases during 2020 everywhere in the world (apart from the US) are simply following the seasonal pattern. That means there is very little we can do to change the pattern of infection. If it is argued that the peaks could have been dampened by correct action then I go back to my oiginal premise - the fact that the UK has been hit harder than most reflects our dithering government and Boris' crap leadership.
 










PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
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They reckon about 2% of cases are linked to hospitality so probably wouldn't help a great deal.

And drives socialising underground. Yes I have a vested interest but in all honesty having visited over 200 outlets in the last number of months varying from large hotels to small bars/restaurants I hardly come across any that I feel aren’t following the guidelines.

Yes this has been in the south from Kent to Dorset.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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the Sage advice is heavily bias to medical only opinion

Whoah. Hold on. It’s a scientific advisory board. It’s not biased, more it’s acting within scope.
 


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