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On that basis most of the Liverpool squad won't be far behind
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The Vaccine Thread
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On that basis most of the Liverpool squad won't be far behind
- Nov 11, 2009
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We're all entitled to our views, but I don't understand some of the negativety towards a vaccine with what has been an unbelievable and unprecedented human endeavour to find a treatment to deal with this horrible disease.
More so as businesses go to the wall and the associated human suffering is more than just those affected by covid, the way out of this for public health and ending the economically devastating restrictions is surely a vaccine?
Watching our beloved Albion at the Amex is the other side of it.
For sure running various phases of trials simultaneously rather than usual back to back is not the norm but seems totally reasonable with the havoc this has caused globally.
Personally I trust the best Brains from Oxford Uni and Astra Zeneca, as well as those from Pfizer etc.
Everytime I step inside a plane, train or doctor's surgery I put my trust in their training and expertise. This is no different. Ways to save process time doesn't mean short cuts in testing or safety profiling, and whatever the slight risk of side effect, they are greatly inferior to risk of severe complications of disease, spreading it to others unwittingly or loss of employment if the economic tide isn't turned soon.
I will trust the medical experts, if they say it's safe to take, then I will believe they say that with genuine reason and with the best intent. The best Brains at Oxford are not going to lie if something doesn't work or is unsafe to simply line the pockets of Astra Zeneca. That's ludicrous imho
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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Doesn't surprise me for multiple reasons.
I imagine many of us will be so far down the priority list, that any issues will have been found before we get the chance. I don't bother with the annual flu vaccine, but see no reason for me not to get this, if only to stop anyone accusing me of being selfish.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,331
I never took the annual flu vaccine till last year, having got flu in both 2017 and 2018 (the only times I ever have). Never knew what flu was before 2017, or thought, stupidly, a bad cold was flu...... Literally couldn't get off the bed for a week such was the weakness.
Converted flu vaccine taker now, nowt last year or this thus far.
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Shropshire Seagull
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I don't know the ins & outs of vaccines, I'm no medical expert.
But I have faith in medical technology - I inject a synthetic drug called insulin 4-5 times per day - I know for a fact this keeps me from dying.
There are a couple of minor side-effects but I accept these willingly as the consequences are far outweighed.
Whilst the absence of insulin to any type-1 diabetic, regardless of age, health, gender, race [or religion] are no different, Covid-19 carries a multitude of consequences ranging between asymptomatic [zero effect] and death. So choosing a medical solution is worthy of careful consideration on an individual basis since zero side-effects of any vaccine are very unlikely.
For me, it's a simple decision, take the side effects to avert the predicted Covid-19 consequences. So long as the vaccine side-effect isn't death, I'm quids-in.
My 25 year-old daughter, however, does not see a vaccine [for her] as at all necessary.
But I have faith in medical technology - I inject a synthetic drug called insulin 4-5 times per day - I know for a fact this keeps me from dying.
There are a couple of minor side-effects but I accept these willingly as the consequences are far outweighed.
Whilst the absence of insulin to any type-1 diabetic, regardless of age, health, gender, race [or religion] are no different, Covid-19 carries a multitude of consequences ranging between asymptomatic [zero effect] and death. So choosing a medical solution is worthy of careful consideration on an individual basis since zero side-effects of any vaccine are very unlikely.
For me, it's a simple decision, take the side effects to avert the predicted Covid-19 consequences. So long as the vaccine side-effect isn't death, I'm quids-in.
My 25 year-old daughter, however, does not see a vaccine [for her] as at all necessary.
Half Time Pies
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It looks like the trials have been conducted pretty thoroughly (if quickly), several of the trials were stopped when participants became unwell and by the time they are approved for market many thousands of people will have taken it.
Like with most medication, I am sure some people will have adverse responses, but as far as I can see with vaccinations these tend to be pretty minor and rare. There is, in my opinion, a social responsibility element to this around protecting other people and particularly the elderly. It's not just about the chances of dying from coronavirus its also about protecting the many people who would be left with long-term, quality of life impacting health problems after contracting the virus and the pressure that this will put on the NHS.
I will definitely be taking it when its available.
Like with most medication, I am sure some people will have adverse responses, but as far as I can see with vaccinations these tend to be pretty minor and rare. There is, in my opinion, a social responsibility element to this around protecting other people and particularly the elderly. It's not just about the chances of dying from coronavirus its also about protecting the many people who would be left with long-term, quality of life impacting health problems after contracting the virus and the pressure that this will put on the NHS.
I will definitely be taking it when its available.
Politicians should be at the front of the queue !
They need to take it to show that no safety corners have been cut in order to get a substance-less 'world beating' headline.
And it has to be independently verified that they haven't switched their dose for a harmless substitute.
Unfortunately both Johnson and Hancock have had covid, so they won't be on any list to take the vaccine, but the rest of them... front of the queue.
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sydney
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yep....politicians lead by example for a change and Gates and his family and Fauci and all the CEO'S of all the companies working so tirelessly to develop a safe vaccine , any word from China ....?? All gone very quiet over there.
GT49er
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Flu jabs are brilliant. I've had (real) flu a few times in y life - thankfully not many - but I used to get those bad cold/chill/man flu type things (you know, couple of days in bed feeling rotten, lots of Lemsip, and that's it) a lot - 3 or 4 times a year, probably.
Twenty or so years ago my GP added me to the surgery's flu jab list, and I've had the jab every year since. In that 20 years I've had (real) flu just once, but for me the big benefit is that I hardly ever get one of those heavy colds either, Recommend them to anyone!
- Nov 11, 2009
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Totally agree. If the next time you get a headache, have a look at the info paper in your box of paracetamol about known side effects. Theres loads (that probably happened to 1 in thousands). If paracetamol was brand new, many thousands who've used it with success for their headaches, wouldn't have touched it
There is always a small element of risk with anything, you can't get zero risk, but you can mitigate risk to the 1 in hundreds/thousands which is reasonable with any potential vaccine when compared to the personal and society risks of not doing so.
I'm 100% confident the data of both drug effect risk and drug covid efficacy rewards and safety profiling from all trial data will be presented accurately.
I take a biologic drug made from mouse proteins, I trust our UK system.
Chief Wiggum
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- Apr 30, 2009
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Article - 'Will a vaccine stop covid?'
https://unherd.com/2020/10/will-a-vaccine-cure-covid/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3
https://unherd.com/2020/10/will-a-vaccine-cure-covid/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3
Machiavelli
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I voted YES in the full knowledge that it won't exactly led to the outcome that [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] has suggested. A vaccine will not get rid of CV19 once and for all, but it will in all likelihood dampen down its effects, and enable the refinement of that particular vaccine or buy us some time so other, more effective vaccines can be designed, mass produced, deployed, and then tested according to its efficacy.
There's been a lot of talk about (that disturbing phrase) herd immunity. There are two ways to arrive at this. One, let the virus rip through the population, such that c60% have been infected. The other is through a vaccine, or multiple vaccines. Once put like that, it's obvious that the right thing to do is to take the vaccine.
I do find it interesting that those posters that have been advocating a herd immunity strategy are now showing their colours by refusing option two, which leaves either option one or this constant cat-and-mouse lockdown-approach that we've been subjected to over the past seven months.
There's been a lot of talk about (that disturbing phrase) herd immunity. There are two ways to arrive at this. One, let the virus rip through the population, such that c60% have been infected. The other is through a vaccine, or multiple vaccines. Once put like that, it's obvious that the right thing to do is to take the vaccine.
I do find it interesting that those posters that have been advocating a herd immunity strategy are now showing their colours by refusing option two, which leaves either option one or this constant cat-and-mouse lockdown-approach that we've been subjected to over the past seven months.
Machiavelli
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Is it because you're a paleo-anarchist?
The big thing for me in terms of the speed of delivery (having heard a professor from one of the vaccine projects on the wireless) is that the phases have been running concurrently instead of the usual sequential system. You can do this when Governments are offering millions of pounds worth of support.
It is clear that we will not be allowed out to play until we have a vaccination and daily covid test and a health passport so the choice is do I want to live my life like this forever - no vaccine, do I want to allowed to go anywhere or do anything ever again - vaccine
Personally I would take the Vaccine
However, I would be reluctant to encourage infants or growing children to take it without more advanced testing due to the risk of it causing deformities in the future. At my age any ''deformity'' could be a blessing as things are only gonna get worse in the future as opposed to getting better. It's unlikely I an gonna start looking like Brad Pitt overnight.
In all seriousness though. I think anyone above say 40 years of age should seriously consider it. The dangers of Covid-19 Outweigh any of the risks I would have thought.
However, I would be reluctant to encourage infants or growing children to take it without more advanced testing due to the risk of it causing deformities in the future. At my age any ''deformity'' could be a blessing as things are only gonna get worse in the future as opposed to getting better. It's unlikely I an gonna start looking like Brad Pitt overnight.
In all seriousness though. I think anyone above say 40 years of age should seriously consider it. The dangers of Covid-19 Outweigh any of the risks I would have thought.