- Jul 10, 2003
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Which Union is more united today the British one or the European one?
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nicko31
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A lot of people say the integrity of the UK wasn't discussed during the EU referendum campaign, it most certainly was. The problem is a lot of people weren't listening or got groomed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-it-break-scottish-independence-a7071481.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-raises-risk-scotland-leaving-uk-after-brexit
pastafarian
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I did suspect you didn’t know, thanks for the confirmation.
The Welsh and Northern Irish leaving our union as well as the jocks are they and making it just England left?
When is this all happening?
Enjoy your little fantasy world
Lincoln Imp
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You'll tell me if I'm wrong but this looks like a straw man argument. I have never heard people saying that Britain will become 'an irrevelance', so who are these many Remoaners (hilarious!) who keep telling you this?
I have certainly heard the argument that UK will lose influence (often in connection with a Biden presidency) but become irrelevant, of no consequence, no.
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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its logical really, Brexit is a right wing proposition and Scots will push against that. A Scotland / EU tie up has alot of synergy, giving the EU a foothold in UK again and making England weaker
Razzoo
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Wrong
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You are, indeed.
Just because a few on the extreme left may have supported Brexit, and a large number of non right-wingers were naively taken in by the leave campaign, it doesn't change the fact that it was proposed, funded, backed, managed and implemented by the right wing of the Tory party, the ERG, and the right wing party UKIP. It's the reason why so many moderate, traditional conservatives have left the Government benches and/or the Party.
It was (and is) very much a right wing proposition
And, before you make your normal accusations of 'left wingers' etc, I say this as someone who has voted Conservative (as I have all the major parties) over the years.
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Razzoo
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You are, indeed.
Just because a few on the extreme left may have supported Brexit, and a large number of non right-wingers were naively taken in by the leave campaign, it doesn't change the fact that it was proposed, backed, managed and implemented by the right wing of the Tory party, the ERG, and the right wing party UKIP.
It was (and is) very much a right wing proposition
And, before you make your normal accusations of 'left wingers' etc, I say this as someone who has voted Conservative (as I have all the major parties) over the years.
Fair enough, it was put forward by the right but as you point out it is not a right wing idea
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nicko31
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You use the world “fantasy” implying the destruction of our Union is something I want, as a British patriot nothing could be further from truth.
The reality is we have a Vote Leave government that could only deliver their version of Brexit with a customs border in the Irish sea with potentially very serious ramifications for Northern Ireland. We also have Scottish elections next May which is likely to bring an SNP landslide on an independence ticket
Covid, Hard Brexit and the most incompetent government in 40 years that isn’t representing the whole of UK , its not a good combination.
The Union is entering its biggest crisis in 300 years and I'm not sure if there is a way out
nicko31
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Full membership of the EU would be challenging, the large deficit and the currency question but when nationalism hold the detail gets swept under the carpet. Maybe a EFTA style membership to start...
The Tories used the EU membership card to keep Scotland in the Union in 2014. The betrayal that followed will be milked to the max by the SNP
Randy McNob
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Well, Nissan could pick their factory up in Sunderland and move it up across the border
Baker lite
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Luckily it is not in Nippys gift.
nicko31
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The elections just demonstrated how Johnson is no longer the PM of the UK, he just plays to his English base.
Of course Trump does this in the US, but he doesn't have the prospect of New York or California going their own way.
We need a federal Britain, not a feral one..
Of course Trump does this in the US, but he doesn't have the prospect of New York or California going their own way.
We need a federal Britain, not a feral one..
Baker lite
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All in all,do you believe Princess Tony’s dream for devolution is going well?
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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serious question then, what are the technical and practical differences between a federal system and the current devolved powers? on the surface they look alike, so what should change.