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    Let me introduce you to Dr Waheed Arian who was a refugee granted asylum here. Look him in the face and thank him for working in the NHS and paying taxes.

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      So Emmanuel Macron still hasn't resigned after this shameful tragedy? Shame on him. Despicable man.
      What about our Home Secretary who is facing three legal battles on her plans to force back asylum seekers with patrol boats, prosecute RNLI personnel if they rescue those at risk of drowning and evaluated using " wave machines " and nets to disable small boats?

      Where is your " Despicable" meter on her?
      " The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards " Gove, M. 19/4/2016

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      Quote Originally Posted by vegster View Post
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      What about our Home Secretary who is facing three legal battles on her plans to force back asylum seekers with patrol boats, prosecute RNLI personnel if they rescue those at risk of drowning and evaluated using " wave machines " and nets to disable small boats?

      Where is your " Despicable" meter on her?
      That's completely different, vegster.

      I respect your opinion. Time will tell I guess on Priti Patel.
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      https://news.sky.com/video/migrants-...annel-12429301

      Police suggesting they had insufficient manpower to keep a large number of immigrants from trying to cross the channel....
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      MP for Calais on Radio 5 this morning, suggested that the UK were at fault with this ongoing situation by making the UK ‘magnifique ‘ nice houses money etc
      This all the while while photos are circulating of French Police watching on as people climb into dingys on the beach.

      Let’s be brutally honest the French authorities want them as much as the Uk…


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      'Honest' is sufficient... we've had enough 'brutality' on this site.

      An atmosphere of hostility has been generated between some of the British and French stakeholders post Brexit; that was fairly predictable and unsurprising; but it is also the case that structures of communication and co-operation have gone into abeyance.....

      The comments (accurate or otherwise) made by the MP for Calais are probably partly partisan/political and certainly unhelpful.

      The emotive anti-French language of The Express 'French police just stand and watch as cheering migrants board dinghy to cross Channel' and The Telegraph 'French police 'stood by and watched' migrants hours before deadly Channel crossing' ...is abject propaganda, entirely in keeping with their longstanding pro Brexit, anti all things EU style.

      Your reaction to these two factors is in my opinion predictable too, given political views you have expressed previously. I accept they come from honestly held beliefs but I reject the notion that, for instance, photographs and damning headlines published by the Telegraph or the Express reveal objectivity; they merely enforce the prejudices of their right wing readership.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Durlston View Post
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      So Emmanuel Macron still hasn't resigned after this shameful tragedy? Shame on him. Despicable man.
      The British government haven't paid him money they promised.

      Do you think Johnson would resign if people were leaving Britain wholesale? Somehow, I doubt it.
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      Honest is enough... we've had enough brutality on this site.

      An atmosphere of hostility has been generated between some of the British and French stakeholders post Brexit; that was fairly predictable and unsurprising; but it is also the case that structures of communication and co-operation have gone into abeyance.....

      The comments (accurate or otherwise) made by the MP for Calais are probably partly political and unhelpful.

      The emotive anti-French language of The Express 'French police just stand and watch as cheering migrants board dinghy to cross Channel' and The Telegraph 'French police 'stood by and watched' migrants hours before deadly Channel crossing ...is abject propaganda that is entirely in keeping with their longstanding pro Brexit, confrontational style.

      Your reaction to these two factors is in my opinion predictable too, given other political views you have expressed. I accept they come from honestly held beliefs but I reject the notion that, for instance, photographs published by the Telegraph or the Express reveal objectivity; they merely enforce the prejudices of their right wing readership.
      Well the Sky News video showing clear visual evidence that the Police are watching and doing nothing surely can’t be described as pandering to their right wing viewers?




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      The Refugee Council’s analysis, using Home Office data and Freedom of Information requests, found that 91% of people who travelled by boat across the Channel came from 10 countries where human rights abuses and persecution were common.
      These were Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Vietnam, Kuwait, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Yemen
      The charity’s investigation revealed that overall, nearly two-thirds of people arriving here in small boats are deemed to be genuine refugees and allowed to remain.
      Of those arriving from Syria, 88% were granted asylum at the initial decision stage. From Eritrea, 84%.
      And, for example, of those from Syria not granted asylum at first, 73% were granted asylum on appeal.
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      Well the Sky News video showing clear visual evidence that the Police are watching and doing nothing surely can’t be described as pandering to their right wing viewers?




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      Before responding, I must say having straightforward, impersonal, 'political' exchanges with you, without distractions about site 'handles', accusations of lying and other irrelevancies is really refreshing and I do thank you for that.

      Regards your comment, I am not about to try and defend that situation; I don't know enough, wasn't present at the event and anyway it was mediated; fundamentally it is a human tragedy and I suggest we all await further scrutiny (from all sides) before passing judgement or pointing a finger of blame on the basis of political predispositions.

      Regarding the Sky piece - even though the police claim (off the record) that their inaction was a result of having insufficient manpower one suspects they could have done something more than they did. But as I say, it is best to have an open mind at this stage.

      Do you think the Murdoch-owned Sky channel (or any other media outlet, left or right wing, for that matter) is a 'voice of objectivity'?

      I do consider the Express and Telegraph articles to be particularly pernicious. The truth is rarely pure and never simple but they know their audience well and this is an inappropriate, instant, sabre-rattling reaction to a shocking, awful event. I hope you can find some measure of agreement with that view......
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      Do you think the Murdoch-owned Sky channel (or any other media outlet, left or right wing, for that matter) is a 'voice of objectivity'?
      Minor point: Sky was sold to Comcast in 2018, ending Murdoch's ownership.

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