[Politics] Dominic Cummings' £30k unpaid council tax bill 'written off'

Stat Brother · Oct 14, 2020

Oh what the hell, this feels very in-keeping with the current mood.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/n...ax-payable-dominic-cummings-lockdown-cottage/

There's no way this won't be suckling at the teat of Mummy Pit - very soon. :lol:

essbee1 · Oct 14, 2020

The problems we have now and the deaths of many are laid firmly and squarely at the feet of Cummings.

studio150 · Oct 14, 2020

Confirmation of one rule for them one rule for the rest of us.

Guinness Boy · Oct 14, 2020

Stat Brother said:
Oh what the hell, this feels very in-keeping with the current mood.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/n...ax-payable-dominic-cummings-lockdown-cottage/

There's no way this won't be suckling at the teat of Mummy Pit - very soon.

So this is the schtick while we're all out of the ground and can't be accused of booing Tony's latest gamble; starting threads that you are desperate to see sent to the Bear Pit because you think you're too good to post on the perfectly adequate extant threads in the Bear Pit.

Stat Brother · Oct 14, 2020

Guinness Boy said:
So this is the schtick while we're all out of the ground and can't be accused of booing Tony's latest gamble; starting threads that you are desperate to see sent to the Bear Pit because you think you're too good to post on the perfectly adequate extant threads in the Bear Pit.

If you say so.

To me it looks a lot like another very news worthy story, hot on the heels of the previous one.
A thread where the main defense being offered up for the governments actions is trust in them and their actions.

Guinness Boy · Oct 14, 2020

Stat Brother said:
If you say so.

To me it looks a lot like another very news worthy story, hot on the heels of the previous one.
A thread where the main defense being offered up for the governments actions is trust in them and their actions.

That’s the great thing about taking a dump. Once it’s out of your Harris you’re not responsible for it’s onward direction of travel.

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Pavilionaire · Oct 14, 2020

I think I've got this right. So he and his sister built two dwellings on his dad's farm and have never paid any council tax, and now the council have caught up with him the charge kicks in from 4th October. So nothing has ben backdated for all the time those new dwellings have been there, no penalties whatsover.

That's like having a sole trade, not declaring it and not paying tax on the profit, then HMRC finding out. Only they would expect you to pay the tax arrears, ditto if you let a property and received undeclared rent.

junior · Oct 14, 2020

Can we put this in the Bear Pit please?

Thunder Bolt · Oct 14, 2020

Pavilionaire said:
I think I've got this right. So he and his sister built two dwellings on his dad's farm and have never paid any council tax, and now the council have caught up with him the charge kicks in from 4th October. So nothing has ben backdated for all the time those new dwellings have been there, no penalties whatsover.

That's like having a sole trade, not declaring it and not paying tax on the profit, then HMRC finding out. Only they would expect you to pay the tax arrears, ditto if you let a property and received undeclared rent.

They didn’t have planning permission either. Ordinary people have been ordered to demolish buildings when found out, but rules don’t apply to that family.

beorhthelm · Oct 14, 2020

doubt the Labour run local authority would have let him off anything if they could help it. probably there is no evidence the buildings have been used as dwellings for past 20 years. werent they supposed to be holiday lets, Cummings claimed were a home to excuse the trip there? he's skirted through the edges of the rules.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 14, 2020

beorhthelm said:
doubt the Labour run local authority would have let him off anything if they could help it. probably there is no evidence the buildings have been used as dwellings for past 20 years. werent they supposed to be holiday lets, Cummings claimed were a home to excuse the trip there? he's skirted through the edges of the rules.

Even if they were holiday lets, they needed planning permission, even more so, because they’d come under commercial instead of domestic.

Birdie Boy · Oct 14, 2020

A number of years ago I was out of work and I was told that I was entitled to not pay council tax during that time. I was out off work for 5 months. When I went back to work I received a demand to pay those 5 months! How the **** does this work then?

Guy Fawkes · Oct 15, 2020

Thunder Bolt said:
They didn’t have planning permission either. Some* Ordinary people have been ordered to demolish buildings when found out, but rules don’t apply to that family.

And some ordinary people have been granted retrospective planning permission when found out rather than having to demolish
* edited for you

Also is there any statistical evidence anyone has that proves that everyone else gets backdated charges / doesn't have to pay any charges in similar circumstances? or are people just leaping to the conclusion this is the only exception because of who it is ?

The other, probably more important question then would be why this authority decided not to backdate if that is normal practice, what's the reasoning behind this decision and how does that compare to other similar cases they've dealt with? (If it is a Labour council, why have they decided this, it wouldn't appear to be out of political loyalty? You'd hope not but is there an element of knowing this decision they've made will cause a political controversy and paint someone connected to their opposition in a bad light )

GT49er · Oct 15, 2020

junior said:
Can we put this in the Bear Pit please?

Why? Is it uncomfortable for you? Is anybody arguing that Cummings isn't a piece of shit?

Surely the Bear Pit is for threads where people are hurling insults and abuse at each other ..................

Marty___Mcfly · Oct 15, 2020

I offer no defence for what has occurred but I can confirm-

Dwellings built without planning permission / not in accordance with planning permission gain a lawful status after 4 years. There is nothing the council can do about that.

Council tax in these circumstances is never backdated it’s just applied from the date it was bought to the council’s attention.

So in both cases- the standard approach has been followed.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 15, 2020

Marty___Mcfly said:
I offer no defence for what has occurred but I can confirm-

Dwellings built without planning permission / not in accordance with planning permission gain a lawful status after 4 years. There is nothing the council can do about that.

Council tax in these circumstances is never backdated it’s just applied from the date it was bought to the council’s attention.

So in both cases- the standard approach has been followed.

Seven years and there are still restrictions.
https://www.markstephensarchitects....-need-planning-permission-ccferrie-mentioned/

Council tax can be backdated

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5291855/council-tax-debt-from-13-years-ago

beorhthelm · Oct 15, 2020

Marty___Mcfly said:
Council tax in these circumstances is never backdated it’s just applied from the date it was bought to the council’s attention.

thats key point, if council dont act, no backdating is due. but media have splashed an amount is "written off", everyone assumes they've researched the detail and giving a well informed account of the facts. :lolol:

Neville's Breakfast · Oct 15, 2020

Stat Brother said:
If you say so.

To me it looks a lot like another very news worthy story, hot on the heels of the previous one.
A thread where the main defense being offered up for the governments actions is trust in them and their actions.

Is it going to be one per day, every day ?

Stat Brother · Oct 15, 2020

Neville's Breakfast said:
Is it going to be one per day, every day ?

As we get to the pointing end of 2020 I'll hazard a guess we'll be doing very well if it's just one a day.

All very depressing.

Tim Over Whelmed · Oct 15, 2020

Isn't this in the wrong area, didn't we create a "Can't be bothered reading false or inaccurate stories, exaggeration and unnecessary bile" area?

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