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Circuit breaker

Two week circuit breaker?

  • Yes

    Votes: 78 54.9%

  • No

    Votes: 64 45.1%
  • Total voters
    142
  • Poll closed .


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,290
heres a thing, the hospitalisation rate for covid last week was 3.59 per 100,000, and 0.4 going into ICU. the higher rates of cases just arent translating to serious cases. we dont need to lockdown and stop spread, we need to suppress spread and viral load, which we are doing.
 




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Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
16,630
Fiveways
blue-shifted said:
Apparently he's convening a focus group on it now to see how it would play. Just final sign off would then be required from the 1922 committee, the Express and the Mail, then it's full steam ahead
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From what I can gather, The Mail and The Express have departed company with the former against further or prolonging restrictions, and the latter for them.
 


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Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
16,630
Fiveways
beorhthelm said:
heres a thing, the hospitalisation rate for covid last week was 3.59 per 100,000, and 0.4 going into ICU. the higher rates of cases just arent translating to serious cases. we dont need to lockdown and stop spread, we need to suppress spread and viral load, which we are doing.
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And hospitalisations have increased by one-third from last week to next week.
 


nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,562
Gods country fortnightly
blue-shifted said:
Apparently he's convening a focus group on it now to see how it would play. Just final sign off would then be required from the 1922 committee, the Express and the Mail, then it's full steam ahead
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Standard protocol
 


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Napper

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
23,870
Sussex
survival rate 98% + , average age of deaths is the elderly , how can you have a lockdown across the whole country based on cases.
 




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BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,338
Kinky Gerbils said:
NEW: Two of government's scientific advisers tell the FT thousands of deaths - between 3,000 and as many as 107,000 - could be avoided by January if a circuit breaker lockdown is imposed over half term. Scoop by [MENTION=14192]Anna[/MENTION]SophieGross ft.com/content/25edce…

That’s some range
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Blimey, those stats are as much use as the proverbial 'chocolate teapot'.:rolleyes:
 


Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
A1X said:
This SAGE?

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Opening schools was the disaster which amplified this 2nd wave ( along with Eat Out to Kill your Gran ). Thousands of families mixing up and down the land, the virus loving it.

They need to extend the half term holiday to the end of the year.
 


Butch Willykins

Butch Willykins

Well-known member
Jun 17, 2011
2,533
Shoreham-by-Sea
Blue Valkyrie said:
Opening schools was the disaster which amplified this 2nd wave ( along with Eat Out to Kill your Gran ). Thousands of families mixing up and down the land, the virus loving it.

They need to extend the half term holiday to the end of the year.
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So what happens in January then? Closing schools again is way more damaging than the virus.
 




Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Butch Willykins said:
So what happens in January then? Closing schools again is way more damaging than the virus.
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In January we make a decision based on the facts in January.

Closing schools enables other businesses to stay open and to avoid Total Lockdown 2.

Might as well do it officially. When Wave 2 really bites many parents will be withdrawing kids from school anyway.
 


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Reddleman

Well-known member
May 17, 2017
1,877
Machiavelli said:
Have you seen:
-- the number of cases
-- the number of hospitalisations
-- the steady, but lagging, rate in the number of deaths?
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Have you seen the average age of those dying? It’s 82. So while tragic for them and their families it does not strike me that we should lockdown the whole country as a result.
 


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Reddleman

Well-known member
May 17, 2017
1,877
Blue Valkyrie said:
They need to shut the schools between half term and the Christmas holidays to have any chance of halting wave 2.
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The average age of those dying is 82. I don’t mean to be as callous as this will sound but the education of our children is more important than protecting the lives of those in that age category and above.

I didn’t feel that during the first lockdown and supported it whole heartedly. But if it’s the choice between protecting the most vulnerable who could shield anyway or kids missing another two/three months of education Then for me it must be the latter that takes priority.
 




Chicken Run

Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,421
Valley of Hangleton
Blue Valkyrie said:
Opening schools was the disaster which amplified this 2nd wave ( along with Eat Out to Kill your Gran ). Thousands of families mixing up and down the land, the virus loving it.

They need to extend the half term holiday to the end of the year.
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I’m sorry but extend the half term holiday to the end of the year, really?
 


Butch Willykins

Butch Willykins

Well-known member
Jun 17, 2011
2,533
Shoreham-by-Sea
Blue Valkyrie said:
In January we make a decision based on the facts in January.

Closing schools enables other businesses to stay open and to avoid Total Lockdown 2.

Might as well do it officially. When Wave 2 really bites many parents will be withdrawing kids from school anyway.
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Ok then, lets all send our kids round to yours to be looked after while the rest of us crack on with earning a living.

The stuff about parents withdrawing kids from school is also dramatic nonsense you fanny.
 


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darkwolf666

Well-known member
Nov 8, 2015
7,576
Sittingbourne, Kent
Reddleman said:
The average age of those dying is 82. I don’t mean to be as callous as this will sound but the education of our children is more important than protecting the lives of those in that age category and above.

I didn’t feel that during the first lockdown and supported it whole heartedly. But if it’s the choice between protecting the most vulnerable who could shield anyway or kids missing another two/three months of education Then for me it must be the latter that takes priority.
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When someone puts in a post, any of the following..

I’m not a racist, but...
I don’t want to be rude, but...
I’m not trying to be funny, but...

I just know the poster is all of those things, so saying “I don’t mean to be callous, but...” doesn’t detract from the fact your comment is just that, callous. Clearly you attempted to win some points back by talking about protecting the vulnerable, but the damage has been done and your true colours shown!
 




A1X

A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
17,727
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Butch Willykins said:
The stuff about parents withdrawing kids from school is also dramatic nonsense you fanny.
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My sister's a teacher. From what she says it's already started.
 


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Farehamseagull

Solly March Fan Club
Nov 22, 2007
13,952
Sarisbury Green, Southampton
From those advocating a lockdown I still haven't seen a proposal for how both the government and working young families are supposed to pay for it?

Whilst I don't believe anyone wants to be selfish, there is an obvious split here between the older population worried for their health from the immediate threat of the virus and the younger population worried about the secondary effects of it. Both are valid arguments and whilst no one has an obvious clear strategy yet, I just can't see that another total lockdown is the answer. Slightly tighter general restrictions on socialising and local lockdowns where necessary seems to me the most practical solution of them all.
 


Chicken Run

Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,421
Valley of Hangleton
Butch Willykins said:
Ok then, lets all send our kids round to yours to be looked after while the rest of us crack on with earning a living.

The stuff about parents withdrawing kids from school is also dramatic nonsense you fanny.
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I’ll always defend someone’s right to act in an hysterical fashion but taking kids out of school is beyond belief, the divorce/separation rate will go up dramatically.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,138
Blue Valkyrie said:
Opening schools was the disaster which amplified this 2nd wave ( along with Eat Out to Kill your Gran ). Thousands of families mixing up and down the land, the virus loving it.

They need to extend the half term holiday to the end of the year.
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It's only October now. Can't just stop educating the nation's kids
 




Chicken Run

Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,421
Valley of Hangleton
Farehamseagull said:
From those advocating a lockdown I still haven't seen a proposal for how both the government and working young families are supposed to pay for it?

Whilst I don't believe anyone wants to be selfish, there is an obvious split here between the older population worried for their health from the immediate threat of the virus and the younger population worried about the secondary effects of it. Both are valid arguments and whilst no one has an obvious clear strategy yet, I just can't see that another total lockdown is the answer. Slightly tighter general restrictions on socialising and local lockdowns where necessary seems to me the most practical solution of them all.
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I’m 51 and right now I’m more concerned in putting food on my family’s plate than I am of catching this virus. That said I would advocate closing pubs and providing full furlough and business support to the establishments for the rest of the year, we need to drive this pub culture out of our lives until we have a vaccine.
 


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Reddleman

Well-known member
May 17, 2017
1,877
darkwolf666 said:
When someone puts in a post, any of the following..

I’m not a racist, but...
I don’t want to be rude, but...
I’m not trying to be funny, but...

I just know the poster is all of those things, so saying “I don’t mean to be callous, but...” doesn’t detract from the fact your comment is just that, callous. Clearly you attempted to win some points back by talking about protecting the vulnerable, but the damage has been done and your true colours shown!
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The thing I although I am sorry it comes across as callous it’s also a realistic opinion based on what I can see. I do prioritise the education and wellbeing of the young over the lives of the very elderly who there is limited evidence are dying from rather than with Covid and who in the main can be isolated. Current excess deaths in this country in 2020 is less than 0.01% of the total population, during a global pandemic and from those excess deaths the absolutely overwhelming majority are the very elderly. So I maintain a total lockdown is totally unjustified.

By the way your willingness to cause such pain and suffering to the younger generation both now and in the long term while they absorb the burden of unemployment and paying for never ending lockdowns is far more callous than anything I am saying. At least I am honest enough to admit it.
 
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