[Football] Premier League - Project Big Picture

studio150 · Oct 11, 2020

Looks loke Liverpool and Manchester United are leading the campaign to reduce the PL down to 18 teams, and scarp the League Cup and Charity Shield, to ensure the big 6 have more of a say in running the PL.

In the first season bottom 4 of PL relegated, top 2 from Championship promoted, then Championship play-off winners, play 16th PL team to decide final position.

Using the bail out to EFL teams as stick to get changes through.

Greed pure and simple from American owners

Johnny RoastBeef · Oct 11, 2020

studio150 said:
Looks loke Liverpool and Manchester United are leading the campaign to reduce the PL down to 18 teams, and scarp the League Cup and Charity Shield, to ensure the big 6 have more of a say in running the PL.

In the first season bottom 4 of PL relegated, top 2 from Championship promoted, then Championship play-off winners, play 16th PL team to decide final position.

Using the bail out to EFL teams as stick to get changes through.

Greed pure and simple from American owners

One of the proposed changes relating to the current PPV debate.

All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

Not sure if domestic territory is included.

studio150 · Oct 11, 2020

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/11/project-big-picture-key-proposals-premier-league-over-haul-revealed/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

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Johnny RoastBeef · Oct 11, 2020

I like the proposed relegation playoff idea.

Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team and 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Springal · Oct 11, 2020

Ha ha. So basically the bigger clubs know they are the real product of the league, so want a bigger share. Can’t let the smaller teams get to much of the product for free can they

Steve in Japan · Oct 11, 2020

The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club.

How would this get approved?

A1X · Oct 11, 2020

So basically Everton, West Ham and Southampton are used as the patsies for the big 6 to railroad their aims through then cast aside before they realise quite what they've done.

Brian Parsons · Oct 11, 2020

Johnny RoastBeef said:
I like the proposed relegation playoff idea.

Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team and 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Didn't they do something similar when the Premier league was being created?

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Swansman · Oct 11, 2020

**** this, sounds like a long-term plan to Americanize it (closed leagues). Its like the clubs in the Swedish Hockey League, for the last 25 years they have gradually implemented rules to make it virtually impossible to get relegated from or promoted to the highest league. This smells the same way. From three teams relegated to 2,5, while also "ending parachute payments" - making it difficult for Championship clubs to compete in the intended playoff. Also the "longtime shareholder" stuff points in the same direction. And 18 clubs sharing the tv money instead of 20... it got **** all to do with the "tight schedule".

Feck this.

The Wizard · Oct 11, 2020

An absolute disgrace quite frankly. We’ll save those poor little English peasant clubs but only for our own gain.

Wozza · Oct 11, 2020

Maybe merge this with the PPV thread? It's the same slippery slope...

ManOfSussex · Oct 11, 2020

Non league football gets more and more appealing by the day.

Rinkmaster · Oct 11, 2020

Will be the end of the Premier league for me. Still at least I will save on my sky subscription I will get rid altogether.

Is it PotG? · Oct 11, 2020

As Stevie V once said, money talks......

Eeyore · Oct 11, 2020

Steve in Japan said:
The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club.

How would this get approved?

'Longest continual stay in the division'. Carefully crafted as the BBC say Newcastle United and Aston Villa have spent longer in the EPL than Manchester City.

crodonilson · Oct 11, 2020

The 'big 6' trying to take control of English football, by blackmailing financially struggling clubs during a global pandemic, really is peak shithousery. It's like offering a dying man a cure, but only giving it him if he lets you shag his wife & daughter whenever you please.

Eeyore · Oct 11, 2020

Let 'em ****ing go.

Final nail in the coffin for English football and its great traditions. Shafted by corporations, not even English ones.

Introduce self sustaining wage caps in the lower leagues and walk away. I'd sooner watch Brighton play in the new First Division of the English Football League against Wyecombe Wanderers than see my club bow submissively to these faceless folk on the other side of the pond.

Why don't we just re-name The EPL 'APL' ?

Tom Hark Preston Park · Oct 11, 2020

There's clearly a not very well hidden agenda to make the Champions League into an actual league. They keep creeping ever closer to that goal, leaving the EPL also-rans to fight over scraps at the second tier table. Beauty of it is, we can all opt out at any point and invest our time and money in, say, Lewes FC. Get back in touch with why we first fell in love with The Beautiful Game. Creeping ever closer to just saying F*CK RIGHT OFF to the EPL :wave:

Mackenzie · Oct 11, 2020

You’d hope the fans of the “top 6 plus three others” will be as against this as every other teams fans up and down the country. It’s a rubbish idea.

macbeth · Oct 11, 2020

Ignore all the add-ons and tidbits. This is about one thing and one thing only, control and therefore money for the top six, in particular Liverpool and United who seem to be driving this.

They want to make it an even more closed shop, and if they have the override power then we would be one step closer to the 'European Super League' idea that we've seen floated. Furthermore, extreme scenario I know, but in theory they could block any takeover of any club outside the 'top 9', thereby keeping the door to the elite firmly wedged shut

Absolutely no surprise to see that it's the Americans driving it, if this goes through a LOT of people will fall out of love with the game (though granted, lots will probably still go, hence why the Americans think this is profitable)

In the words of [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]: f*** this.

I'd like to think we'd vote against any changes like this, but I'm not so sure

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