View Poll Results: What will Johnson do ?

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    Johnson's Brexit - BRINO, or No deal


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    Ever since Johnson got elected as Conservative leader, I had thought he would go 'No Deal', and I taken the precautions I thought appropriate, and accepted and prepared for 'No Deal'. I also thought that the one advantage of all this was that at least the Brexit supporters would get to see the maximum possible benefits of Brexit

    However, here we are again, 3 months away from 'No deal' with a strange feeling of déjà vu. For all the rhetoric, waffle and general Gammonism*, there still hasn't been a square foot of tarmac laid at any of the lorry parks, no staff recruited to deal with the new procedures, and the system that the distribution industry is expected to use is not going to be available until January. Even I am beginning to wonder if he's going to do a last minute U-turn and take BRINO, and the associated complete meltdown from the various factions within his own party.

    Now, even by Johnson's standards, he has managed to manoeuvre himself into what could only be called an 'interesting' situation.

    So which does he do

    F*** the country over by going 'No deal' with no real preparations
    F*** the Conservative party over by U-turning and going BRINO

    and I suppose there is a third option

    F*** everyone over and accept an extension to membership (probably least likely, but definitely funniest and least harm done )

    So which do you think it will be ?

    *as per Dickens definition of Mr. Gregsbury - Using Faux Patriotism to try to cover a complete lack of understanding of political situations.

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      I'm gonna go with the 4th option, he will ultimately capitulate on the main things like State Aid as we are painted into a corner. A thin deal will be achieved and Johnson will claim victory, the reality will be significant economic harm and that will be buried under Covid second wave

      Talks and negotiation with the EU will be never ending, just like Switzerland. Hopefully something to build on

      Think full BRINO won't happen, though I think this isn't impossible as Johnson can U-turn on anything if he thinks it will save his skin
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      I'm gonna go with the 4th option, he will ultimately capitulate on the main things like State Aid as we are painted into a corner. A thin deal will be achieved and Johnson will claim victory, the reality will be significant economic harm and that will be buried under Covid second wave

      Talks and negotiation with the EU will be never ending, just like Switzerland. Hopefully something to build on

      Think full BRINO won't happen, though I think this isn't impossible as Johnson can U-turn on anything if he thinks it will save his skin
      If he capitulates on the main points in the current situation then that is BRINO, still governed by EU regulations and the ECJ without any input to it

      Of course, he'll claim a victory, like when he replaced 'the backstop' with 'the border in the Irish Sea' that May had previously turned down and claimed it was a victory (and that one still has to be resolved if he is going to get BRINO).
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      When it comes down to it, which does Johnson care about more, the people of the United Kingdom or the political career of Boris Johnson?

      I know which answer I would bet on.

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      If he capitulates on the main points in the current situation then that is BRINO, still governed by EU regulations and the ECJ without any input to it

      Of course, he'll claim a victory, like when he replaced 'the backstop' with 'the border in the Irish Sea' that May had previously turned down and claimed it was a victory (and that one still has to be resolved if he is going to get BRINO).
      OK, BRINO from me then

      The Irish sea border is a big problem for Johnson that isn't going away. Scottish elections in May and Sturgeon has her gun fully loaded with the incompetence of Westminster and special CU favours dished to Northern Ireland that damage Scotland.

      The Tories used EU membership to head off a UK split in 2014, it could ultimately be the glue that held the UK together
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      very odd poll and view, that BRINO is the only alternative to no deal. this is the sort of thinking that blocks sensible debate and an agreement, triggering the leaver groups to reject an agreement.
      from where we are, if as seems likely state aid is the only substantial item to backdown on, the deal is a long way from BRINO and further than many expected.
      The English know how to make the best of things. Their so-called muddling through is simply skill at dealing with the inevitable.
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      pathetic poll for pathetic people, you couldn't make it up ,
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      Johnson will go *No deals* ( in the plural because a *no deal* which breaks the GFA also means no deal with the US ).

      After 2-6 months he'll then announce the *sovereign decision* to re-join the European Free Trade Association... and eventually agree a Norway type deal with the EU ( which will be re-branded as a UK deal for spin ).
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      very odd poll and view, that BRINO is the only alternative to no deal. this is the sort of thinking that blocks sensible debate and an agreement, triggering the leaver groups to reject an agreement.
      from where we are, if as seems likely state aid is the only substantial item to backdown on, the deal is a long way from BRINO and further than many expected.
      What about fishing rights, what about the pirmacy of the ECJ, what about the border in the Irish sea ? There's a hell of a lot more than State Aid to agree on. Added into which plenty of 'leaver groups' didn't want to leave the single market, whilst others wanted to stay in a customs union, other 'leaver groups' wanted to join the EEA and others, led by Johnson wanted 'no deal', so I suggest there maybe a large number of 'triggers' that would set off 'leaver groups', many of those 'triggers' being diametrically opposed.

      I personally think that may be where the main issue lies, and what is blocking an agreement, rather than State Aid
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