[Technology] The Social Dilemma - Netflix

Rambo · Sep 9, 2020

Anybody seen this? Trending on Netflix at the moment. Quite an eye opener albeit telling us what we really should know already.

How do we break the cycle before it’s too late?

Biffer · Sep 9, 2020

Rambo said:
Anybody seen this? Trending on Netflix at the moment. Quite an eye opener albeit telling us what we really should know already.

How do we break the cycle before it’s too late?

Delete Facebook. That'd be a good start.
Looking forward to watching it tomorrow.

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Solid at the back · Sep 9, 2020

People really should just delete Facebook and Instagram etc. I've not been a member of FB for over ten years now, all it does is create anxiety.
When I ask people why they're still on it, I get the "it's good to keep in touch with people and old friends" But if Facebook wasn't around would you still be friends with these people? Unlikely.

Palacefinder General · Sep 9, 2020

Binned off Facebook 7 years ago. Next up is North Stand Chat

Bozza · Sep 9, 2020

Thanks for the reminder - I saw the trailer a couple of weeks back and I'd already forgotten that I wanted to watch this upon launch.

Bozza · Sep 9, 2020

Palacefinder General said:
Binned off Facebook 7 years ago. Next up is North Stand Chat

Me too. Insidious wankers.

The Andy Naylor Fan Club · Sep 9, 2020

Bozza said:
Me too. Insidious wankers.

Which one?

portlock seagull · Sep 9, 2020

Rambo said:
Anybody seen this? Trending on Netflix at the moment. Quite an eye opener albeit telling us what we really should know already.

How do we break the cycle before it’s too late?

We don’t. Addiction is just that. And there are too much invested in keeping it that way, even if an entire generation could successfully rehab which it can’t. Instead we must adapt. Or, as per evolution dictates, perish. Where there’s big money involved, I’d always go large on the latter!

Rambo · Sep 10, 2020

portlock seagull said:
We don’t. Addiction is just that. And there are too much invested in keeping it that way, even if an entire generation could successfully rehab which it can’t. Instead we must adapt. Or, as per evolution dictates, perish. Where there’s big money involved, I’d always go large on the latter!

It does feel wildly out of control, and too many are sucked in by it, as you say adapt yes, but how do you wake people up from the Matrix?

Swansman · Sep 10, 2020

Rambo said:
It does feel wildly out of control, and too many are sucked in by it, as you say adapt yes, but how do you wake people up from the Matrix?

You dont. The reason why it is like it is is because They want it to be this way.

marlowe · Sep 10, 2020

Facebook has evolved into a selling/buying platform. A lot of people use it in preference to ebay as there are no selling fees. That's the only reason I use it, but under a fake name.

Neville's Breakfast · Sep 10, 2020

Swansman said:
You dont. The reason why it is like it is is because They want it to be this way.

I’m intrigued as to who ‘they’ are. Definitely watching this documentary in the hope of finding out !
Hang on a minute, how will I know whether or not ‘they’ made the documentary as well ? I can’t believe ANYTHING !

SimpKingpin · Sep 10, 2020

Nice. Didn't know this exists. I just watched 'Spree' last night which reminded me of influencers in LA.

I go cold turkey on all of it sometimes. Or set a small clock for 10 mins in the morning, 10 mins at night etc. Try to make sure I have a specific reason for being on a platform.
But I get sucked in all too often and wonder where the time went.

I sacked off Facebook years ago. Not interested in seeing the highlight reels of other people's lives. Only made me feel unhappy.
It's funny because, when you see people in real life, some of them expect you to be up to speed with their lives.

The scariest part is the manipulation, lies, political agenda's being pushed across so many of these platforms - particularly in the US.
You think Tik Tok is just a bunch of teens lip syncing and dancing? You'd be quite surprised what rabbit-holes and sub-groups you will with about sh1t about Qanon etc.

essbee1 · Sep 10, 2020

Twitter, facebook........never bothered with them. Always saw them as a young and old kids' playground
with little end value, use or real benefit. "I just stubbed my toe on the table leg". Quick "get it onto facebook so
everyone can see it", sort of thing. Load of old rollox.

Swansman · Sep 10, 2020

Neville's Breakfast said:
I’m intrigued as to who ‘they’ are. Definitely watching this documentary in the hope of finding out !
Hang on a minute, how will I know whether or not ‘they’ made the documentary as well ? I can’t believe ANYTHING !

They are the ones who rule the world whether people believe they do or not. They want to **** your brain and Internet is one of the tools they made to make it happen. Who "They" are? Investigate the connection between the corporate world and secret services throughout history and you'll find a number of reoccuring individuals and organisations.

Bakero · Sep 10, 2020

Will people also be deleting their Netflix accounts after watching this?

portlock seagull · Sep 10, 2020

Rambo said:
It does feel wildly out of control, and too many are sucked in by it, as you say adapt yes, but how do you wake people up from the Matrix?

If they want to? I fear as many don’t want to as can’t. My story is I joined FB for several weeks earlier this year, after more than a decade of resisting. When I joined it really got people in my circle talking, shows how much of an oddity it is not belong to already. Anyway, I only did because of pressure from friends and business associates who demanded I did. But I couldn’t stand it, several formally close friends appear to spend their lives boosting, ranting or posting pictures of their lives in real time it seems. Ironic they say they’re too busy to call really, why we’ve begun to lose touch because they seem unable to communicate unless it involves a ‘like’ or posting what you had for tea. I soon unfollowed them for sake of any remaining friendship I.e. I wanted to scream at them to just shut the feck up. Then the flood of requests from people i knew for a short time over 30 years ago arrived. It’s insane. Almost all of these people I deliberately lost touch with. We had nothing in common except double Maths on a Tuesday afternoon. The one thing I did like was local community ones, but these too became irritating because of the constant binfests and judging of others. I wanted to join in, tempting as was, but released it’s a slippery slope. However, what I really hated was the invasion of privacy despite all the settings. Suddenly I was being bombarded with algorithm ‘pushes’ wasting more and more of my time.

So I’ve shut down my account. Before, as you allude, I’m a droid like the majority of people seem to be these days as snobby as it sounds. But it’s true! They might take my password, but they’ll never take my mind et al!! I’m inherently distrustful of technology, Luddite suits me fine. I still use pens and paper you know!

Gabbafella · Sep 10, 2020

Stopped using Facebook about 6yrs ago and Twitter about a year ago. Don't miss anybody on either.

Wrong-Direction · Sep 10, 2020

I advertise on fassbook, more people see my jobs than if I just had a website sitting there.

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Swansman · Sep 10, 2020

One of the main issues is the oversocialisation aspect, which social media is accelerating, especially among young people. As described by the great Mr Kaczynski (a.k.a. Unabomber) in his manifest "INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE":

24. Psychologists use the term “socialization” to designate the process by which children are trained to think and act as society demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists are oversocialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such rebels as they seem.

25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term “oversocialized” to describe such people. [2]

26. Oversocialization can lead to low self-esteem, a sense of powerlessness, defeatism, guilt, etc. One of the most important means by which our society socializes children is by making them feel ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary to society’s expectations. If this is overdone, or if a particular child is especially susceptible to such feelings, he ends by feeling ashamed of HIMSELF. Moreover the thought and the behavior of the oversocialized person are more restricted by society’s expectations than are those of the lightly socialized person. The majority of people engage in a significant amount of naughty behavior. They lie, they commit petty thefts, they break traffic laws, they goof off at work, they hate someone, they say spiteful things or they use some underhanded trick to get ahead of the other guy.

The oversocialized person cannot do these things, or if he does do them he generates in himself a sense of shame and self-hatred. The oversocialized person cannot even experience, without guilt, thoughts or feelings that are contrary to the accepted morality; he cannot think “unclean” thoughts. And socialization is not just a matter of morality; we are socialized to conform to many norms of behavior that do not fall under the heading of morality. Thus the oversocialized person is kept on a psychological leash and spends his life running on rails that society has laid down for him. In many oversocialized people this results in a sense of constraint and powerlessness that can be a severe hardship. We suggest that oversocialization is among the more serious cruelties that human beings inflict on one another.

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