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[Football] Chelsea are going for it it seems



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Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
24,896
Worthing
Lots of dosh on these boys
 




Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
200 million with yesterday’s 71 million spent so far. Did Lamptey see this coming after the transfer ban? Did well to refuse a new contract and sign for the smaller club imo.

I wonder if we are quietly trying to get further, likely to be surplus to requirements this year, players from Chelsea?

They have one hell of a squad now. Personally not sure Lampard is the man to get them challenging for the title, but then I didn’t think he’d do that well last season, and I was wrong there.
 


Perkino

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Dec 11, 2009
5,987
Quite frankly I'm delighted we will be playing them for the first game. I fear that once they start to gel they could get some scores like Liverpool & Man City regularly produce
 


zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
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Lampard has seen and done it all as a player, I see no reason why he can't continue in that vain as a coach. Good luck to him.
 


Washie

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Jun 20, 2011
5,498
Eastbourne
Quite frankly I'm delighted we will be playing them for the first game. I fear that once they start to gel they could get some scores like Liverpool & Man City regularly produce
This, im also hoping that they haven't gelled properly by the time we meet

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Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,340
Uffern
Lampard has seen and done it all as a player, I see no reason why he can't continue in that vain as a coach. Good luck to him.

Football is littered with examples of people who were top class players but lousy managers. Thinking just of English clubs, just off the top of my head, I can give you Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Mark Lawrenson, Tony Adams, Alan Shearer, Stuart Pearce, Paul Ince etc Given some thought, I'd give plenty more.

Then look at the managers who were very average or mediocre players: Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp, Pulis, Allardyce but have had a long and successful career (the last two may not have won anything but they've managed a lot of clubs and generally done well)

Being a good player and a good manager are definitely not the same thing
 


Poojah

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Nov 19, 2010
1,881
Leeds
I thought some time ago that Chelsea’s transfer ban might inadvertently do them a favour. They happened to have a fantastic crop of young players coming through; parallels with Manchester United in the mid-90s might have been a bit premature but it’s certainly rare that you get so many top-class youngsters coming through at the same time.

What they appear to be doing is very clever; spending that unspent cash on more soon-to-be world young players who for the most part are probably three or four years away from the beginning of their peak.

I think Chelsea are honest enough to know that they can’t challenge Liverpool or Man City this season, and no amount of money can change that. But they’re playing the long game - what they could have a few years from now could be absolutely incredible.
 


Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
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Living In a Box
I think this main issue at Chelski is their defence unless they improve that they will struggle to compete with the elite
 




Dirty Dave

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Aug 28, 2006
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Worthing
Football is littered with examples of people who were top class players but lousy managers. Thinking just of English clubs, just off the top of my head, I can give you Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Mark Lawrenson, Tony Adams, Alan Shearer, Stuart Pearce, Paul Ince etc Given some thought, I'd give plenty more.

Then look at the managers who were very average or mediocre players: Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp, Pulis, Allardyce but have had a long and successful career (the last two may not have won anything but they've managed a lot of clubs and generally done well)

Being a good player and a good manager are definitely not the same thing
We had one as well in Sami Hyypia.

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Farehamseagull

Solly March Fan Club
Nov 22, 2007
13,978
Sarisbury Green, Southampton
This is the best signing of the lot, Havertz is a wonderful player.

That front four of Havertz, Ziyech, Werner and the brilliant Pulisic are going to take some stopping.

Not convinced about Lampard though. He’s looked tactically naive and totally unsure what to do defensively at times.
 


vagabond

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May 17, 2019
9,804
Brighton
Our game against them is definitely a free hit as far as I’m concerned.

I hope if we get well beaten no one reacts to much, it would be expected largely by the mainstream. A point or even better would be fantastic.

I 100% back our man Potter as a coach over Lampard that’s for sure.
 






Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
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Accepting it was only a friendly last week, but it must give our boys some confidence that they can compete next week

It was a pretty competitive friendly too, lots of niggly Chelsea fouls, so they were also taking it seriously.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,340
Uffern
I think this main issue at Chelski is their defence unless they improve that they will struggle to compete with the elite

For a top four club, their defence was shocking, particularly from set pieces. He's made no real effort to improve that - Chilwell is great going forward but a bit suspect defensively.

I'm really surprised that he's made no effort to recruit a new centre back
 




Terry Butcher Tribute Act

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Aug 18, 2013
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For a top four club, their defence was shocking, particularly from set pieces. He's made no real effort to improve that - Chilwell is great going forward but a bit suspect defensively.

I'm really surprised that he's made no effort to recruit a new centre back
Thiago Silva?

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MJsGhost

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Jun 26, 2009
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Thiago Silva?

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I think that’s their worst signing.

A great CV, but at his age it seems a big gamble to expect him to adapt to a faster, more intense league. The amount of defending required when playing for PSG doesn’t really compare to what he’ll need to do for Chelsea, week in, week out.
 


Pondicherry

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May 25, 2007
1,033
Horsham
Not convinced about Lampard though. He’s looked tactically naive and totally unsure what to do defensively at times.

We hear the term 'tactically naive' a lot particularly on radio phone ins but how exactly do we judge whether someone is tactically naive?

In most cases (and I suspect in this case), the person making the comment is likely to have a tiny fraction of the tactical footballing experience of the person being criticised. Frank Lampard played over 1000 professional football games (mostly at the top level) has managed over 100 games and has spent thousands of hours on the practice pitches. It is likely his tactical knowledge is significant.

My guess is that what is missing is not tactical knowledge, but the ability to manage and implement that tactical knowledge into real game situations in some circumstances.

I am not a Frank Lampard fan by the way. I just don't think professional football managers are tactically naive.
 


Perkino

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Dec 11, 2009
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This is the best signing of the lot, Havertz is a wonderful player.

That front four of Havertz, Ziyech, Werner and the brilliant Pulisic are going to take some stopping.

Not convinced about Lampard though. He’s looked tactically naive and totally unsure what to do defensively at times.

Lampards biggest issue is he has spent a long time working with some incredible players and they have instinctively been tight defensively. He currently has very few decent defenders and plenty of prospects, he would be wise to invest in a defensive coach to help address their development. Beyond that he knows the game inside out and could have a very good management career
 








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