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AlastairWatts

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Nov 1, 2009
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Perfidious Albion said:
An appalling act of wickedness that must never be repeated. .....
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Really? The dropping of the two weapons convinced the Japanese government that they couldn't hope to defend their islands and so they surrendered, thus avoiding the bloodbath that would have followed if they hadn't done so.

A few years back I visited Pearl Harbor and the Arizona memorial. A pretty good reminder of who started the whole process. Oh, and ruined for me by the crowds of camera clicking selfy taking Japanese tourists also present
 






Perfidious Albion

Perfidious Albion

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Oct 25, 2011
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At the end of my tether
AlastairWatts said:
Really? The dropping of the two weapons convinced the Japanese government that they couldn't hope to defend their islands and so they surrendered, thus avoiding the bloodbath that would have followed if they hadn't done so.

A few years back I visited Pearl Harbor and the Arizona memorial. A pretty good reminder of who started the whole process. Oh, and ruined for me by the crowds of camera clicking selfy taking Japanese tourists also present
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I stand by my comments. It was an act out of all proportion to the wrongs that had been committed by the Japanese hierarchy of the time. Also, it was an act deliberately targeting the innocent civilian families of the two cities, with repercussions for many decades later.
That is why i said what did.
 


Baker lite

Baker lite

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Mar 16, 2017
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in my house
Perfidious Albion said:
I stand by my comments. It was an act out of all proportion to the wrongs that had been committed by the Japanese hierarchy of the time. Also, it was an act deliberately targeting the innocent civilian families of the two cities, with repercussions for many decades later.
That is why i said what did.
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Saved thousands of allied lives, they were told twice.
 


Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
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The arse end of Hangleton
Perfidious Albion said:
I stand by my comments. It was an act out of all proportion to the wrongs that had been committed by the Japanese hierarchy of the time. Also, it was an act deliberately targeting the innocent civilian families of the two cities, with repercussions for many decades later.
That is why i said what did.
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The problem being that the allies were losing thousands of troops for every island they were trying to take. With dozens of islands to.take the allied death toll would have far outweighed that of these two bombs. I support your point that they were civilians but in reality so were most the allied troops.
 






strings

strings

Moving further North...
Feb 19, 2006
9,965
Barnsley
AlastairWatts said:
Really? The dropping of the two weapons convinced the Japanese government that they couldn't hope to defend their islands and so they surrendered, thus avoiding the bloodbath that would have followed if they hadn't done so.

A few years back I visited Pearl Harbor and the Arizona memorial. A pretty good reminder of who started the whole process. Oh, and ruined for me by the crowds of camera clicking selfy taking Japanese tourists also present
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It's been over a decade since I did my master's degree, but I did my dissertation on the use of the atomic bombs. I feel the need to point out this is a disputed point.

I'm not saying you are wrong, in history there are very few rights and wrongs. But the need to drop the atomic bombs is disputed point.

I'll leave it there, because this is an emotive area of history.

Sent from my moto g(7) plus using Tapatalk
 


zefarelly

zefarelly

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Jul 7, 2003
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Sussex, by the sea
Chicken Run said:
I’d argue that since that invention whilst the world is still a miserable place, that no super power capable of running a world war has stepped out of line.
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I think quite a few have stepped out of line, but not to that extent, so I kind of agree, even the swivel eyed loons about now appear to be respectful enough to know it'd effectively be the end of the world and most life on it.
 




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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
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Perfidious Albion said:
I stand by my comments. It was an act out of all proportion to the wrongs that had been committed by the Japanese hierarchy of the time. Also, it was an act deliberately targeting the innocent civilian families of the two cities, with repercussions for many decades later.
That is why i said what did.
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Whether or not it was right to drop the bombs, it wasn't out of proportion. Wikipedia states (and other sources agree) that Japanese war crimes under Hirohito had killed between 3m and 14m people, and those war crimes continued up to the date of surrender and would no doubt have continued if they hadn't surrendered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
 


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