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[Politics] I didn't come here for a lecture in Communism
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Frankie
Put him in the curry
Should of asked him about VAR
Arthur
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But he's not offered an alternative, he just stated how he would like it to be not how it could be achieved.
Braggfan
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded
- May 12, 2014
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highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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This is very true. And it's tricky.
But if you take what he says as the starting point, as any sane person would, you definitely wouldn't design the system we have.
There are plenty of alternatives on offer, but I suspect what we need is something different again, which needs to evolve once we've all worked out, and accepted he is right.
Medwayseagull
JCB
He does look at bit like Karl Marx.
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He went on to lay out a foolproof road map to Utopia but that took the clip just beyond the one minute mark so it got edited out.
schmunk
"Members"
The least funny of the brothers.
highflyer
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2016
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Nothing is foolproof. There is no Utopia
But there are many different ways to think about how we run a society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyqG-71zOi0
I'm assuming your intention was to make sure this tread went to the Bear Pit ? Typical Tory !
Braggfan
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded
- May 12, 2014
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I think there was a fair chance this thread was always going to attract some cynicism, its a political thread.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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The real question is how do you get there?
There are really only two ways.
A free people who discover for themselves the neccessity of taking responsibility and then who live their lives with that in mind, setting a good example to their neighbours while respecting the fact that their neighbours too need to discover these things for themselves, and attempting to assist in that with respectful attempts to convince, using civil debate and discussion, involving listening to one another and holding respect for the individuality and autonomy of all people as something neccessary of vigilant protection, understanding that all of what is needed cannot be properly achieved without it.
Or a totalitarian system, where a central group of authority figures decide what is required by all and ensure it with force. Where people do what is required not because they understand and have integrated it's neccessity, but merely because they fear the repercussions of disobediance. Where you shame and marginalize and stigmatize your neighbours if they are not on the same page, where debate and discussion is scolding and doesn't involve listening, rather it involves shouting louder than the other person. Where indiviuality and autonomy is the enemy, in the belief that uniformity is the only means of achieving what is neccessary.
We have accepted the former and rejected the latter.
Let's keep it that way please.
There are really only two ways.
A free people who discover for themselves the neccessity of taking responsibility and then who live their lives with that in mind, setting a good example to their neighbours while respecting the fact that their neighbours too need to discover these things for themselves, and attempting to assist in that with respectful attempts to convince, using civil debate and discussion, involving listening to one another and holding respect for the individuality and autonomy of all people as something neccessary of vigilant protection, understanding that all of what is needed cannot be properly achieved without it.
Or a totalitarian system, where a central group of authority figures decide what is required by all and ensure it with force. Where people do what is required not because they understand and have integrated it's neccessity, but merely because they fear the repercussions of disobediance. Where you shame and marginalize and stigmatize your neighbours if they are not on the same page, where debate and discussion is scolding and doesn't involve listening, rather it involves shouting louder than the other person. Where indiviuality and autonomy is the enemy, in the belief that uniformity is the only means of achieving what is neccessary.
We have accepted the former and rejected the latter.
Let's keep it that way please.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
all politicians are the same , capitalism is the only way forward with the worlds population at over 7 billion what is everyone going to eat , how will acquire it , how are thy going to get everywhere without their cars , petrol , tyres....?? it's a beautiful sentiment and eloquently put by a man who is clearly quite well educated but it will never work unless post apocalyptically with a global population of way less than one billion.....you can't blame a handful of university educated bell ends on a small island off the coast of Europe for a global economy that has whored itself out to the banks and capitalism.
symyjym
Banned
Yes he is a great example of that thought process. He hasn't even got a guitar.
el punal
Well-known member
Does he live in Highgate as well?
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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DK eloquent as always. Need to sort that beard out tho Dick. I know you're doubtless no big fan of barber, but that's really no excuse 
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Agree, let’s keep it that way. Unless I can be the totalitarian leader