[News] Say your goodbyes to free health care...

The Clamp · Jul 21, 2020

In another betrayal by the Conservative government they have voted down a clause protecting the NHS from being on the table in any future trade negotiations, amongst other clauses that would have protected our NHS.

Another concern that was written off as “project fear” has now come to pass.

If you ain’t worried now, you ain’t paying attention.

https://evolvepolitics.com/breaking...UQcQUlSrldnnv7LskC2vJP4MadjyKwpsVqNwQlb1ITa8o

Is it PotG? · Jul 21, 2020

Never been free has it?

Don't we pay for it already?

The Clamp · Jul 21, 2020

Is it PotG? said:
Never been free has it?

Don't we pay for it already?

Free at the point of treatment. As well you know. What do you think of the legislation?

midnight_rendezvous · Jul 21, 2020

But that was just fear mongering by that jam making commie wasn’t it? Our beloved Tory overlords would never sell off our healthcare for a profit because they’re all very decent people! And... erm... Brexit... unelected bureaucrats... er... shit.

wellquickwoody · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
In another betrayal by the Conservative government they have voted down a clause protecting the NHS from being on the table in any future trade negotiations, amongst other clauses that would have protected our NHS.

Another concern that was written off as “project fear” has now come to pass.

If you ain’t worried now, you ain’t paying attention.

https://evolvepolitics.com/breaking...UQcQUlSrldnnv7LskC2vJP4MadjyKwpsVqNwQlb1ITa8o

Hardly a neutral news source now is it? The fact you follow it explains a lot.

Is it PotG? · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
Free at the point of treatment. As well you know. What do you think of the legislation?

Similar to the PFI stuff in the 90s, I'll make a judgement when/if something changes. Can't see it in my lifetime. The present business model is unsustainable with increasing population and longer life expectancy with less folks paying into the system, so something needs to change sometime.

Lower West Stander · Jul 21, 2020

Bear Pit here we come....

From those who have already posted here, this thread is obviously in the wrong place.

midnight_rendezvous · Jul 21, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
Hardly a neutral news source now is it? The fact you follow if explains a lot.

So you’re saying the Tories didn’t vote down an amendment to protect the NHS from foreign control in Brexit trade deals? Fantastic! I knew it was the hard left making it all up!

Grombleton · Jul 21, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
Hardly a neutral news source now is it? The fact you follow if explains a lot.

Taking the source of the news away, what do you think of the news?

The Clamp · Jul 21, 2020

I imagine Boris’s statement being something like this

“The NHS in its current form clearly could not cope with the demands made upon it during the Covid crisis and so to protect the nation against another crisis we are tendering the running of the NHS to for profit companies in the US and China who can better cope in times of great need”.

Is it PotG? · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
I imagine Boris’s statement being something like this

“The NHS in its current form early could not cope with the demands made upon it during the Covid crisis and so to protect the nation against another crisis we are rendering the running of the NHS to for profit companies in the US and China who can better cope in times of great need”.

China!

Good shout.

The Clamp · Jul 21, 2020

Is it PotG? said:
Similar to the PFI stuff in the 90s, I'll make a judgement when/if something changes. Can't see it in my lifetime. The present business model is unsustainable with increasing population and longer life expectancy with less folks paying into the system, so something needs to change sometime.

Interesting. Not worried about future generations.

LamieRobertson · Jul 21, 2020

Lower West Stander said:
Bear Pit here we come....

From those who have already posted here, this thread is obviously in the wrong place.

Is it PotG? · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
Interesting. Not worried about future generations.

Can you read?

"The present business model is unsustainable with increasing population and longer life expectancy with less folks paying into the system, so something needs to change sometime."

midnight_rendezvous · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
I imagine Boris’s statement being something like this

“The NHS in its current form early could not cope with the demands made upon it during the Covid crisis and so to protect the nation against another crisis we are rendering the running of the NHS to for profit companies in the US and China who can better cope in times of great need”.

Sorry, not enough waffle or bumbling and therefore utterly unbelievable. Therefore, I’m out.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Jul 21, 2020

The Clamp said:
Free at the point of treatment. As well you know. What do you think of the legislation?

Political suicide for any party that tries to mess with the NHS for at least a generation - and hopefully much longer

Bakero · Jul 21, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
Hardly a neutral news source now is it? The fact you follow it explains a lot.

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The Clamp · Jul 21, 2020

Tom Hark said:
Political suicide for any party that tries to mess with the NHS for at least a generation - and hopefully much longer

I’m not convinced the general public really care. Especially not die hard Tory’s. The public were out clapping and calling for pay rises. The government just voted down pay rises for NHS workers.
I have seen that mentioned once on here.

Now people are able to drink in pubs and get a Happy Meal...NHS? Oh yeah, didn’t we bang a pot for them? I say didn’t we bang that pot for nurses, Steve?What did we do, Steve?
We banged a pot, Linda.
We banged a pot.

Giraffe · Jul 21, 2020

If you can buy drugs cheaper somewhere else, why would vote to potentially stop this from happening. That would be madness.

beorhthelm · Jul 21, 2020

government's MPs voting down a opposition amendment does not mean something else is pre-determined to happen. nothing has changed as a consequence.

in the event a trade deal offers some new enviornment that means US providers come into the market (which they are free to do so already), there is still the free at point of use service available.

meanwhile what we should be talking about is whether the current model of centralised healthcare is actually suitable, other countries with other models seem to have better healthcare outcomes. but no discussion on that is permitted lest the dark forces take over healthcare.

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