[Albion] Deluded Leeds (an EFL club) fans

DavidinSouthampton said:

I'm aware of that, and also feel that it is a daft concept.

Maybe Mr Bennett is just a reminder here that good things can come out of Leeds. The remakes of Talking Heads recently were a reminder of that.

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Deportivo Seagull said:

Do you except the contention that only a spanner of the highest order would start using Latin on a football message board when plain English is perfectly acceptable.
There is no point using Latin within your argument when a good 90% of us haven’t got a clue what it actually means. ‘Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.’


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vagabond said:

“We’re going to be massive knobheads...” 10/10 for honesty at least.

https://twitter.com/robmulholland/status/1289245375950454786

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Killer Whale said:

Ha ha ha!

I am no Classical scholar, I just studied Latin at school, (and have no Greek) but I don't think my definition of sui generis was at fault for all that.

Do you accept my contention that it doesn't just mean unique, although it does encompass the concept? And that it is therefore more than reasonable to use it as a discrete term?

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Killer Whale said:

Ha ha ha!

I am no Classical scholar, I just studied Latin at school, (and have no Greek) but I don't think my definition of sui generis was at fault for all that.

Do you accept my contention that it doesn't just mean unique, although it does encompass the concept? And that it is therefore more than reasonable to use it as a discrete term?

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dazzer6666 said:

Of course he does. It’s **** off to another club when it all goes inevitably tits-up.

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Bladders said:

Here’s how it’s going to go , seen it so many times

Leeds with their Championship quality squad will come unstuck most weeks in the Prem and Bielsa will be clueless as what to do as he knows his squad is poor at Prem level

He’ll leave in a huff by Christmas with Leeds in the bottom 3 , and Big Sam will be appointed to save the day

Leeds fans will then have to watch a nice boring rigid 442 for the rest of the season .

Delightful


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DavidinSouthampton said:

No, I don't think they'll do that well.

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

Not only that but they've also forogtten how badly they faded away last season as their players weren't fit enough. This season it looks like the 3 month lockdown break did them some good in that respect. Next season they've got try to play this magical style of theirs against some of the best players in the world. They'll be ****ed from chasing shadows before Christmas.

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Mr H said:

The tactical brain is fed by a colossal, ever-expanding film library. No football undercover mission was ever less necessary than spying on Derby last year, but for his compulsion to know even more.

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Mr H said:

Here is a review of a Bielsa biography.
A review which interestingly contains the phrase “sui generis”

“The Quality Of Madness - A life of Marcelo Bielsa by Tim Rich Quercus £20

Not everybody gets the biography they deserve, but Marcelo Bielsa has. And while doubtless aimed at Leeds United’s fanbase, there’s plenty in Tim Rich’s accomplished chronicle for a much wider public. Any Leeds fan who, perhaps understandably, turns straight to the final 80 pages will miss most of what explains how their idolised, idiosyncratic leader got that way.

Rich draws on well-chosen sources across three languages for a vivid, compelling narrative flowing easily from a fine opening. This places Bielsa firmly in the context of his native Rosario and a remarkable family. Grandfather Rafael Bielsa was a brilliant lawyer with an honourable record in difficult times. Marcelo’s younger brother, also Rafael, is another politically minded lawyer who survived the unpleasantly personal attentions of local military commander Leopoldo Galtieri to become Argentina’s foreign minister. It is as if, in British terms, one of the Benn or Hogg dynasties had gone into football.

Such privilege offers many life options but, as Rich says, Bielsa has “many interests, but only one passion – football”. He might have excelled in other fields. One telling anecdote has him delivering an acute shot-by-shot critique of a film director friend’s oeuvre.
This echoes Wall Street panjandrums reckoning Jürgen Klopp could run a Fortune 500 company, with further hints of Klopp in fearsome competitiveness and belief in hightempo football, although rather less empathy. Bielsa prefers to play golf alone and can pass a car journey with his team captain without exchanging words or eye contact.

There’s something of the wandering Hungarian Bela Guttmann in Bielsa’s intercontinental range and inability to stay long, although accounts of life at clubs like Vélez Sarsfield and Marseille explain why he is a rare manager who might regard Leeds as a haven of peace.

But he is essentially sui generis, a relentless intellect combined with demonic energy and inner drive enabling achievements like the massive, intensive talent hunts which countervailed the limited resources of his first, hometown, club Newell’s Old Boys and Atlas in Mexico. The tactical brain is fed by a colossal, ever-expanding film library. No football undercover mission was ever less necessary than spying on Derby last year, but for his compulsion to know even more.

The trophies are limited – Newell’s Old Boys’ two joyously recalled titles, another with Vélez and Argentina’s pitch-perfect gold at the 2004 Olympics. But his monument is tactical, in Argentinian terms a “middle way” between the brutalism of Carlos Bilardo and César Luis Menotti’s risk-taking fluidity, at a higher tempo than either with rapid transitions enabled by playing midfielders such as the Chilean Gary Medel in defence.

He has inspired disciples such as Mauricio Pochettino, just one of many former players whom Rich cites as talking “of how he has made them see football differently”. Very much a football life – his wife of 30 years and daughters appear just once in that rare and welcome thing, the index – this scores high whether tested for rigour, quality or readability.

Huw Richards”

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ttgg said:

Fair point - who knows how things might have panned out although as we entered lockdown we had just won 5 on the bounce, so most fans were optimistic.

On the other hand, there was only one club in all 4 leagues who'd not won a single game in 2020 at that point. Remind me who that was again?

Pot-kettle!

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Mr H said:

Here is a review of a Bielsa biography.
A review which interestingly contains the phrase “sui generis”

“The Quality Of Madness - A life of Marcelo Bielsa by Tim Rich Quercus £20

Not everybody gets the biography they deserve, but Marcelo Bielsa has. And while doubtless aimed at Leeds United’s fanbase, there’s plenty in Tim Rich’s accomplished chronicle for a much wider public. Any Leeds fan who, perhaps understandably, turns straight to the final 80 pages will miss most of what explains how their idolised, idiosyncratic leader got that way.

Rich draws on well-chosen sources across three languages for a vivid, compelling narrative flowing easily from a fine opening. This places Bielsa firmly in the context of his native Rosario and a remarkable family. Grandfather Rafael Bielsa was a brilliant lawyer with an honourable record in difficult times. Marcelo’s younger brother, also Rafael, is another politically minded lawyer who survived the unpleasantly personal attentions of local military commander Leopoldo Galtieri to become Argentina’s foreign minister. It is as if, in British terms, one of the Benn or Hogg dynasties had gone into football.

Such privilege offers many life options but, as Rich says, Bielsa has “many interests, but only one passion – football”. He might have excelled in other fields. One telling anecdote has him delivering an acute shot-by-shot critique of a film director friend’s oeuvre.
This echoes Wall Street panjandrums reckoning Jürgen Klopp could run a Fortune 500 company, with further hints of Klopp in fearsome competitiveness and belief in hightempo football, although rather less empathy. Bielsa prefers to play golf alone and can pass a car journey with his team captain without exchanging words or eye contact.

There’s something of the wandering Hungarian Bela Guttmann in Bielsa’s intercontinental range and inability to stay long, although accounts of life at clubs like Vélez Sarsfield and Marseille explain why he is a rare manager who might regard Leeds as a haven of peace.

But he is essentially sui generis, a relentless intellect combined with demonic energy and inner drive enabling achievements like the massive, intensive talent hunts which countervailed the limited resources of his first, hometown, club Newell’s Old Boys and Atlas in Mexico. The tactical brain is fed by a colossal, ever-expanding film library. No football undercover mission was ever less necessary than spying on Derby last year, but for his compulsion to know even more.

The trophies are limited – Newell’s Old Boys’ two joyously recalled titles, another with Vélez and Argentina’s pitch-perfect gold at the 2004 Olympics. But his monument is tactical, in Argentinian terms a “middle way” between the brutalism of Carlos Bilardo and César Luis Menotti’s risk-taking fluidity, at a higher tempo than either with rapid transitions enabled by playing midfielders such as the Chilean Gary Medel in defence.

He has inspired disciples such as Mauricio Pochettino, just one of many former players whom Rich cites as talking “of how he has made them see football differently”. Very much a football life – his wife of 30 years and daughters appear just once in that rare and welcome thing, the index – this scores high whether tested for rigour, quality or readability.

Huw Richards”

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ttgg said:

Fair point - who knows how things might have panned out although as we entered lockdown we had just won 5 on the bounce, so most fans were optimistic.

On the other hand, there was only one club in all 4 leagues who'd not won a single game in 2020 at that point. Remind me who that was again?

Pot-kettle!

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ttgg said:

Fair point - who knows how things might have panned out although as we entered lockdown we had just won 5 on the bounce, so most fans were optimistic.

On the other hand, there was only one club in all 4 leagues who'd not won a single game in 2020 at that point. Remind me who that was again?

Pot-kettle!

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Lethargic said:

Isn't that the whole point of this thread we know we are in for a challenge to stay up and have struggled for 3 seasons as the new boys, no one here (OK might be 1 or 2 exceptions) believed we would not be fighting relegation for a number of seasons but Leeds fans seem to think they will walk the league?

So no, not pot and kettle.

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