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"White Lives Matter Burnley" banner flown over the Etihad
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Clearly, you're right, they aren't all racists, and I generally think it's unhelpful to turn this into a club v club thing.
However out of all the clubs in the football league they are up there as one of the ones with the biggest unresolved problems with racism. The vehement defence we saw of Jay Rodriguez was pretty troubling, and I've heard plenty about less than perfect race relations in the town.
Tbf a lot of people are jumping to conclusions on the message. Bit like the majority of the world who are assuming the George Floyd murder was racist despite there being not a single shred of evidence to suggest it was racially motivated...
Just playing devils advocate and no theres never a bad time to campaign for equality ever... Actually there is, whilst there’s a pandemic and everyone is meant to be socially distancing
FWIW I suspect the Burnley message wasn’t done as a reminder that all our lives matter (or irony) and I suspect the GF killing was racially motivated to some degree, but I do like to deal in facts and know the information first before jumping to conclusions - that’s the point I’m making.
What's your point? Whoever organised it is a racist or thick, most probably both. What other conclusion could possibly be drawn?
BN41Albion
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That's it! Vote BNP on it, I remember it being huge!
Silverhatch
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Tbf a lot of people are jumping to conclusions on the message. Bit like the majority of the world who are assuming the George Floyd murder was racist despite there being not a single shred of evidence to suggest it was racially motivated...
Just playing devils advocate and no theres never a bad time to campaign for equality ever... Actually there is, whilst there’s a pandemic and everyone is meant to be socially distancing
FWIW I suspect the Burnley message wasn’t done as a reminder that all our lives matter (or irony) and I suspect the GF killing was racially motivated to some degree, but I do like to deal in facts and know the information first before jumping to conclusions - that’s the point I’m making.
The GF murder is the result of almost 500 years of systemic racism by White European Americans over Black African Americans. Their systems (and all racist systems) have bias - mostly unintentional in the 2020s - ingrained within their cultures. The GF killing has finally uncorked the bottle on the frustration that black people have dealing with this bias against them because of the colour of their skin. That's why you have many black people saying enough of the platitudes - just ****ing change the systems i.e. more representation in all levels of society and equal opportunities. White privilege is nothing to do with economic status, it's all about having the privilege of NOT being born black in racist societies and systems.
Also, the term devil's advocate is ironically used in this debate because the Devils are the white Europeans (Portuguese, Spanish and then British) who incarcerated and traded 9-11million Black Africans and the Advocates are the commercial and social systems that reaped the commercial benefits of the human slave trade for 300 years until its soft abolition in 1832. I'm white, middle classed and privileged btw.
In fairness, there's only one conclusion: whoever organised it is a c-word.
TottonSeagull
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Remember going there in the first Prem season. Bong got all sorts of racial abuse. To the point that Aaron Lennon (Burnley player) walked off shaking his head! My experience of Burnley is a town about 40 years behind the rest of the UK! Horrible place.
Agreed, however, Burnley, like other towns and cities in the north and all over the country, have been adversely affected by technology, capitalism, Thatcherism, and efficiency of an imported workforce, over the last 30 years or more. They have to vent their displeasure somewhere, the newspapers have informed them its not their fault, so it must be the new neighbours.
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I’ve read several tweets from Burnley fans who are embarrassed and ashamed of this.
He says from the safety of his South Coast middle class lifestyle [emoji23][emoji23][emoji106]
You may have underestimated that slightly.
studio150
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Only 40 years?
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After Vydra was subbed off, all 11 were white English (one of them has an Indian Mother to be fair). Thought that was a bit odd.
Not sure if they took the knee, but they were on their knees at the end
So it wasn't racially motivated then.
“We wish to make it clear that those responsible are not welcome at Turf Moor,” the statement said. “This, in no way, represents what Burnley Football Club stands for and we will work fully with the authorities to identify those responsible and issue lifetime bans.
“We wish to make it clear that those responsible are not welcome at Turf Moor,” the statement said. “This, in no way, represents what Burnley Football Club stands for and we will work fully with the authorities to identify those responsible and issue lifetime bans.
After Vydra was subbed off, all 11 were white English (one of them has an Indian Mother to be fair). Thought that was a bit odd.
Not sure if they took the knee, but they were on their knees at the end
I watched the first half and didn’t even know that Jay Racist was playing. Hypocrite taking the knee.
Sheebo
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99% yeh - or possibly it was tongue in cheek and meant as an ironic note but yeh I’m pretty sure they were too... but I don’t really get the message - it could be meant a number of ways.
Not denying the historical stuff and yes America in particular has had race issues for years especially with the police. Your first sentence however, is you guessing and there’s no facts to back that up - nobody has spoken. There is not one piece of evidence that proves it was racially motivated. The only clear thing is that it was police brutality - that’s the first and only thought I had when watching the sick ******* doing it. That is exactly my point - everyone has assumed due to past shocking racism. And I am factually correct at the moment. I have watched several disturbing documentaries like the one where the black kids were wrongly forced to admit a rape in a park in the 90s etc etc and am by no means playing down the issues over there. However I do feel it’s got so much better recently within society - same with homophobia, sexism etc. I personally feel those watching the GF video and straight away assuming racism are somewhat cynical. Just an opinion, but I prefer to have the facts first and clear evidence.
Most likely yes. (Not 100%)
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After Vydra was subbed off, all 11 were white English (one of them has an Indian Mother to be fair). Thought that was a bit odd.
Not sure if they took the knee, but they were on their knees at the end
Dwight McNeil is mixed race. White mother/ mixed race father (himself a former pro footballer in the lower leagues).
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There’s a charming photo of the alleged instigator and tommy racist Robinson. What further proof would you need?
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Impressed with Mee’s comments. Apparently the players found out just before the game it was going to happen.....
https://twitter.com/skysports/status/1275177772311351296?s=21
https://twitter.com/skysports/status/1275177772311351296?s=21