"White Lives Matter Burnley" banner flown over the Etihad

Psychobilly freakout · Jun 23, 2020

Bakero said:
First arrested at 23 with under a gram of coke- sentenced to 6 months in jail. Would that have happened to a young white guy?

most likely not, which is what it alludes too in the article and what is intrinsically wrong on all levels.

Bakero said:
Either way, any reference to Floyd's record is an attempt to distract from the fact that he was murdered by a cop.

Not at all, any good lawyer will use this for the police defence in court, they could claim they knew his record with firearms and were worried etc, etc.
It is extremely relevant, for all the right and wrong reasons.
Actually reading your post again, I see what you mean, by distract, but it is relevant, but not an excuse for murder.

Zebedee · Jun 23, 2020

Dick Swiveller said:
Yes - you and a few others on here. Enjoy their company.

Meaning what? All I'm saying is that equality of opportunity should apply to everyone and that it is wrong to suggest that any one group of people are more important than, or should be advantaged over, another. That seems to me to be what we should be aiming to achieve as a working principle. Anything else just promotes inequality and is divisive.

birthofanorange · Jun 23, 2020

I'll just pop this here, if I may?

Bakero · Jun 23, 2020

Zebedee said:
Meaning what? All I'm saying is that equality of opportunity should apply to everyone and that it is wrong to suggest that any one group of people are more important than, or should be advantaged over, another. That seems to me to be what we should be aiming to achieve as a working principle. Anything else just promotes inequality.

Nobody is suggesting that some people matter more than others. The point is black people have been and continue to be systematically discrimated against.

Chicken Run · Jun 23, 2020

Is one of [emoji1483]different to the other??

Thunder Bolt · Jun 23, 2020

Tom Hark said:
Knobhead doesn't seem very repentent. His family must be very proud

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/burnley-fan-claims-responsibility-white-22236653

'Clarets supporter Hepple has refused to apologise and shared a video of the incident on his Facebook page... Hepple wrote: "I'd like to take this time to apologise .. TO ABSOLUTELY F ** NOBODY!"'

There's a photo on Twitter with his good friend Tommy.

Klaas · Jun 23, 2020

Bakero said:
Nobody is suggesting that some people matter more than others. The point is black people have been and continue to be systematically discrimated against.

Amazing how many times this needs to be said.

Bakero · Jun 23, 2020

birthofanorange said:
I'll just pop this here, if I may?

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And nobody interrupted Martin Luther King to tell him about the dream they'd had the night before.

Chicken Run · Jun 23, 2020

Bakero said:
First arrested at 23 with under a gram of coke- sentenced to 6 months in jail. Would that have happened to a young white guy?

Eitherway, any reference to Floyd's record is an atempt to distract from the fact that he was murdered by a cop.

Business man gets caught, with 24 kilo’s, he’s out of jail and out on bail and that’s the way it go’s.....

Guinness Boy · Jun 23, 2020

Klaas said:
Amazing how many times this needs to be said.

And the thing is, it's been said over and over again on a dedicated thread. Now here it is being used as whataboutery to defend other whataboutery

Bakero · Jun 23, 2020

Chicken Run said:
Business man gets caught, with 24 kilo’s, he’s out of jail and out on bail and that’s the way it go’s.....

And 40 years later nothing has changed.

rippleman · Jun 23, 2020

nicko31 said:
Burnley away, once was enough. Its not nice..

Me too! Only went the once and have no inclination or intention of returning.

I've still not read every post on this thread yet but if the Burnley players were aware in advance that this event was going to happen (as suggested earlier in the thread) why did they not alert the football authorities and the police? Game could have then been delayed, turn off the cameras, police helicopter in the air as a deterrent.

If they knew, why did they keep quiet?

"Before we came out we heard whispers that it was going to happen" - Ben Mee

So why do nothing?

Dr Bandler · Jun 23, 2020

Psychobilly freakout said:
It is impartial and gives his full record, with what if's and why's
read it in full to get the whole picture, he obviously did some pretty nasty things in his past, but is he a product of racism in America today.
To me crime is crime and you do have a choice, but you must always ask why.

I think that you need to be cautious with that assertion, as it can create a victim mentaility. It would imply that coming from a flawed society means you are likely to turn into a violent criminal. The fact that lots of people from all ethnicities in the USA do not do that shows that is not the case, as indeed you say in your final sentence. There are also many people living in much worse societies and conditions than the USA who live law-abiding lives and try to do well. What we need is to empower people and not make them victims, nor ever excuse violence.

Bakero · Jun 23, 2020

Dr Bandler said:
I think that you need to be cautious with that assertion, as it can create a victim mentaility. It would imply that coming from a flawed society means you are likely to turn into a violent criminal. The fact that lots of people from all ethnicities in the USA do not do that shows that is not the case, as indeed you say in your final sentence. There are also many people living in much worse societies and conditions than the USA who live law-abiding lives and try to do well. What we need is to empower people and not make them victims, nor ever excuse violence.

Would it be better to not mention the gross inequality and systemic racism of the USA and just hope that everyone pulls themselves up by their bootstraps? Maybe we could swish the problems away, Doc

nwgull · Jun 23, 2020

Klaas said:
Amazing how many times this needs to be said.

Actually it's depressing. I'd always assumed that racist were a small minority in this country. Not a bad thing that quite a few of these closet racists have outed themselves on social media though.

Bakero · Jun 23, 2020

Klaas said:
Amazing how many times this needs to be said.

At least people are having the conversation now rather than pretending it's all OK.

Palacefinder General · Jun 23, 2020

Hope the idiot pilot gets named and shamed, and no he wasn’t ‘just doing a job he was paid to do.’ Presumably you need to be fairly intelligent to fly a plane, which makes it even more baffling that you would take that gig.

Grombleton · Jun 23, 2020

Psychobilly freakout said:
It is impartial and gives his full record, with what if's and why's
read it in full to get the whole picture, he obviously did some pretty nasty things in his past, but is he a product of racism in America today.
To me crime is crime and you do have a choice, but you must always ask why.

Agreed. his crimes are clearly inexcusable, but clearly we need to look at the reasons why he was led down the life of crime in the first place.

It'll probably be glossed over as well that he seemed to want to reform and make changes for the better, which is apparent from his actions from after 2013 or so.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Jun 23, 2020

Thunder Bolt said:
There's a photo on Twitter with his good friend Tommy.

Photo is included in the Mirror article

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jun 23, 2020

Bakero said:
And nobody interrupted Martin Luther King to tell him about the dream they'd had the night before.

Brilliant

The racists are making complete plums out of themselves lately. I'd be interested to know how many of them think they aren't being racist when they say 'white lives matter too' and how many know they are being racist and like it? The Burnley flypast architect is certainly part of the latter :shrug:

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