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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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Is it PotG? said:
I thought I was a maritime marvel
I believed that I ruled the waves
All I could say is time is motion
And every effort others made I would save
I was a shit stained statue
School children would stand in awe
I truly believed I was a ceiling or sky
Never thought about having flaws(floors)

© Paul Weller
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Interesting musical reference.

Now that the liberal revisionist iconoclasts have street names in their sights I hope Penny Lane in Liverpool is on the list to go.

Going to be good fun watching those street signs being ripped off the wall and thrown in the Mersey to the lusty roar of thousands of supporters.

A good old fashioned socialist council up there.........they won’t lose their nerve on that on would they, James Penny no different from Edward Colston (apart from a Beatles song).
 








Hugo Rune

Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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cunning fergus said:
A good old fashioned socialist council up there.........they won’t lose their nerve on that on would they, James Penny no different from Edward Colston (apart from a Beatles song).
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They tried it in 2006, one would hope that enough gammon has been replaced to allow a decision befitting of 2020.

“In July 2006 a Liverpool councillor Barbara Mace proposed that streets named after slave traders should be renamed.

The plan was criticised by those who argued the negative parts of history should not be "airbrushed" and was later withdrawn.”

History should be studied in museums, schools and Universities not in our streets and squares. Penny seems a lot nastier than Colston from his quotes in this article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2007/02/15/abolition_penny_lane_feature.shtml
 


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Saunders

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Oct 1, 2017
2,292
Brighton
Hugo Rune said:
Well done to Mr Khan.

Brilliant leadership once again from the London Mayor in setting up a commission to look at removing statues, murals, street art, street names and other memorials. He has also ruled out memorials for people like Churchill & Gandhi being considered.

Getting rid of these memorials to horrific individuals in the correct way (i.e. not by a mob!) is the best outcome, such a shame that it needed a mob to kick the establishment into action.

Just like rape, slavery was wrong then and is wrong now, no more of this naive historical relativity BS anymore please.
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If it wasnt for the "mob" we wouldnt even be discussing it. Let alone the Mayor actually doing something about these flawed memorials. Also they chose well, people have been trying and failing for decades to get that statue removed or at the very least have the information on his participation in the slave trade added. All came to nothing.
 




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Saunders

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Oct 1, 2017
2,292
Brighton
Curious Orange said:
This all just highlights the fact that people are quite complicated in their views and behaviours. I doubt this chap in Bristol gave much thought about the people he was transporting, I doubt he even met or saw the majority of them - to him they were just another cargo, yet clearly he did have a concern for the people of Bristol as can be noted by his philanthropy.

He probably wasn't maniacally laughing as his ships plied the slave trade routes.
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Well it certainly was different in his lifetime many white people in England and the UK were effectively slaves a Villein. A very large number of British people will be descendents of a slave in all but name and always got hit the hardest in famines. The big difference for this man and other slavers of this time was the way they treated African Slaves. You could smell slave ships from miles away, their "cargo" AKA men women and children were chained down and cramed in lying in their own sh*t and piss till they got to their destination if they were still alive by then. The Zong massacre is an example of how these ships valued slaves. His philanthropy was a payoff for turning their heads away.
 


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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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Hugo Rune said:
They tried it in 2006, one would hope that enough gammon has been replaced to allow a decision befitting of 2020.

“In July 2006 a Liverpool councillor Barbara Mace proposed that streets named after slave traders should be renamed.

The plan was criticised by those who argued the negative parts of history should not be "airbrushed" and was later withdrawn.”

History should be studied in museums, schools and Universities not in our streets and squares. Penny seems a lot nastier than Colston from his quotes in this article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2007/02/15/abolition_penny_lane_feature.shtml
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If British cultural values include the rule of law and democracy then the people that want censorship of what our past has left in our streets and squares then they will vote for it......it’s not a radical point to make, although these days arguing for the rule of law feels like a revolutionary act.
 






1066familyman

1066familyman

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Jan 15, 2008
15,185
Belgium now taking down statues of Leopold II.

About time too. That was one seriously evil individual if ever there was one!
 




Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
23,270
Sussex by the Sea
hans kraay fan club said:
Can you please clarify, why the pictured protestor, is ‘a piece of shite’?
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My first point of interest is his factual accuracy. Should I ever feel the need to protest as my feelings are so strong about a cause, I would like to know that my data was accurate.

If I found out that my ire was aimed in the wrong direction, then I might point at the original perpetrators instead.

I assume he would, having no other agenda.
 




Razzoo

Razzoo

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Sep 11, 2011
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N. Yorkshire
All I am seeing is erase, destroy and remove. I just hope we all get a say in what is going to pop up in their places. It's all getting a bit authoritarian for my liking. Anybody who dares question stuff is immediately labelled racist (Brexit, immigration too) and complicit with systemic racism. Don't get me even started on white guilt/privilege. It seems to me that it's ok to label whiteness racist. Itself a racist act.
 


Sorrel

Sorrel

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Jul 5, 2003
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yxee said:
Agree with putting it in a museum. Its value is educating is about the past, a statue in a public place should be reserved for people we universally appreciate as a society.
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Problem is that universal appreciation results in everyone having a veto - and there will always be someone or some group that objects to each potential monument. In the end with public monuments you have to decide that they stay over the objections of some groups or alternatively have no monuments.

The whole "put them in a museum" argument is a bit specicious, too. If that happened - for each statue of an unperson moved to a museum, those who object to that statues would then require control over how the statue or story was presented as well and if they weren't happy they would campaign about that as well. What would actually happen is that the statue would be put in a warehouse somewhere and forgotten/destroyed. Not actually that important in quite a lot of cases, but I'm not sure many museums are relishing the prospect of being given lots of unwanted statues.

Lots of the statues were erected by public subscription (which covers a whole variety of actual funding systems/people) rather than put up by a council. That would be a better plan to replace them, too. People could crowdfund a statue and happily create a new one of whatever they want.
 


BN9 BHA

BN9 BHA

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Jul 14, 2013
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I think the Eazy-E memorial bench in Newhaven is safe. :)
 








GT49er

GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
46,703
Gloucester
yxee said:
Agree with putting it in a museum. Its value is educating is about the past, a statue in a public place should be reserved for people we universally appreciate as a society.
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Name a person that we all universally appreciate as a society, or try anyway. Whoever you name, there is always going to be someone, somewhere who doesn't agree.
 






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Beach Seagull

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Jan 2, 2010
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Pierre the Painter said:
I see Sadiq Khan announced this morning an urgent review into statues and monuments in London with a view to taking a great number down with racist connotations.

I expect the likes of Churchill, the Duke of Wellington, Nelsons Column will be in grave danger.
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Only taken him 4 years to get round to it, you'd have thought if he cared that much it would've been one of the first things he when he become the London mayor, its as if he's jumping on the bandwagon.
 




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