[Albion] If we were playing at home on Saturday and fans could attend...

darkwolf666 · May 29, 2020

Rugrat said:
I understand your angst and although I am not in as difficult position as your family I am also now considered 'vulnerable' and unfortunately I think the onus is on us. Yes, these people are potentially putting our well being at risk but I think it's up to us to ensure we take all the precautions ourselves. Life has to get back to some normality for the many but not everyone.

I can't see me going to football for a considerable period of time (vaccine or virus eradicated) but I can understand why others will wish to and should be able to

In saying all of that there are some completely selfish fukka's about who don't give a toss, but that's a different argument completely

The thing is the very vulnerable, like my wife and others like her, won't be affected by football's return or people going to the beach, etc., as they are indoors shielding.

It is the gradual erosion of social distancing and the fact that many seem to believe it's all over, which will affect those who have lesser conditions, or maybe no known conditions at all... They will be the ones affected by people returning to normality too soon...

Perfidious Albion · May 29, 2020

No... because they tell me I am "vulnerable"...so I have been in total lockdown in the house and garden. I see that something over 300 people died of the virus yesterday.. 300 ! and we call that a good sign
I think we have a long way to go yet

LamieRobertson · May 29, 2020

Gwylan said:
Sorry, you're right. I should have said that it's not clear whether people can catch it twice. I previously thought that if you'd already had it, you were in the clear but scientists just don't know

It's not enough for me to risk it

That’s alright...we can’t go anyway

willalbion · May 29, 2020

I've read there's a fair few on here (in their 20's/healthy/etc etc) who have no qualms about going, but isn't the issue catching the virus and then passing it on to others who are vulnerable?

RossyG · May 29, 2020

Yes. Definitely. And I’d be in McDonald’s before and the pub after, as well. I’d be using public transport too!

And if you think this hypothetical wish is monstrous, I actually did those things in February 2018 when this happened.

Frankie · May 29, 2020

willalbion said:
I've read there's a fair few on here (in their 20's/healthy/etc etc) who have no qualms about going, but isn't the issue catching the virus and then passing it on to others who are vulnerable?

Exactly , the young seem to be able to catch it the same as everyone but then pass it on without even knowing they had it , nothing good will come of this restart apart from the greed of a few TV broadcasters and their advertising partners .

Official Old Man · May 29, 2020

NO
I didn't go to Wolves because it involved a coach journey, although I had tickets.
I was sceptical about Arsenal and think I would have stayed at home. At the time my excuse, and very seriously said, was that I'm an old man and didn't want to die.
It will be a long time before I go back.
And for those asking why people say Yes, go to Brighton seafront. Groups of friends together who walk past you only inches away and take up all the pavement.

Tim Over Whelmed · May 29, 2020

Blue Valkyrie said:
I hadn't realised the 2nd Wave was upon us already.

Time to increase lockdown measures.

Quote from the Arsegas ....

Rugrat · May 29, 2020

darkwolf666 said:
The thing is the very vulnerable, like my wife and others like her, won't be affected by football's return or people going to the beach, etc., as they are indoors shielding.

It is the gradual erosion of social distancing and the fact that many seem to believe it's all over, which will affect those who have lesser conditions, or maybe no known conditions at all... They will be the ones affected by people returning to normality too soon...

I accept the point about lesser (and particularly) no known conditions. I'd also add those in the front line NHS.

But, I think we have to try to return to some disciplined normality and my principal issue is probably similar to yours, that is there are some/many that just don't give a toss about others

highflyer · May 29, 2020

willalbion said:
I've read there's a fair few on here (in their 20's/healthy/etc etc) who have no qualms about going, but isn't the issue catching the virus and then passing it on to others who are vulnerable?

I would not go. It's too early. Partly about my own risk (I fall into the category of 'would probably be OK, but would rather not find out') but mainly because I think it would be the wrong decision in terms of the common good.

I am in the 'somewhat more optimistic' camp. I think there are things we are still finding out, medical advances to be made and shifts in how we behave that can be maintained without significant economic and social damage. So I think we can get through this from here OK. But there are still many unknowns, and still the potential for it to go horribly wrong.

Left completely to individual choice (the world of the ultra-individualists, the likes of Claire Fox and the Tufton street crowd) then every individual will make decisions based on only ther personal circumstances (how vunerable am I, how vulnerable are the people I mix with, how much do I care about others). But we have learnt that is not how most of us want the world to be run. We DO have a sense of the common good. And for those that have to set the rules and manage this problem beyond the level of individuals, at the community/country level. the real issue is about managing the overall infection rate, ensuring it doesn't rise too fast, while we continue to learn more.

So we need to prioritise what rules are set, what behaviour we allow, and what we continue to hold off on. For me, the younger generation are going to be the ones struggling most, and we need to give them the chance to get as much back to normal as we can. Resume schools, let them socialise (to be frank, it's happening anyway and who can blame them). To balance the risks, we have to maintain restrictions elsewhere. On the rest of us. Frankly, if I am sitting in a garden or park, having a drink with a couple of friends two metres apart...that's just fine. I don't need more than that. If most small businesses can get started again, albeit cautiously and with restrictions in place then that's good.

I would LIKE to go to the football, but really in the list of 'critical things to worry about', it's pretty low on the list. Meanwhile mass gatherings are always going to be a major problem, they provide the opportunity for very rapid spread, and for things to get out of control before they get picked up by testing etc. So crowds at football should be one of the last things to come back, when we are really confident in our knowledge. And that isn't now.

bn1&bn3 Albion · May 29, 2020

No, I live with 3 other people, we already had to go into isolation at the beginning of all this because one of us had symptoms, not doing it again.

blue-shifted · May 29, 2020

Way too soon.

It will all be on telly anyway.

Beaches are fine. There's plenty of space to go around. Just avoid being splat in the centre of town and low tide is better.

Surf's Up · May 29, 2020

clapham_gull said:
No, because under such circumstances:

1) The Government would have completely lost the plot.

2) There wouldn't be a game to play because the players would refuse to play.

It's almost an unanswerable question because it throws up too many other question regarding how such a scenario would ever be allowed to happen.

What? and like, they haven't now

Hotchilidog · May 29, 2020

With situation as it currently is, no way. it is way too early. Whilst it is possible to be outside and not be too close to other individuals for a prolonged period of time, the close proximity of other fans in the stands, on the concourses and on public transport makes it so much more difficult at a match.

Whilst I do expect us to be at the Amex later on this year, now is definitely not that time.

zefarelly · May 29, 2020

Surf's Up said:
What? and like, they haven't now

There's a strong argument that says they never had a plot to start with, just a collective of bumbling self serving c***s

BoT I don't think I'll be going to the AMEX for some time yet. I'll stick to TV and maybe watch a few Shoreham games as and when

Black Hill · May 29, 2020

It has been reported in various sources today, that locally the R number is again above 1. Brighton & Hove is 4th out of 180 local authorities in relation to new infections.

I can see this eventually affecting proposed forthcoming games at the Amex.

bluenitsuj · May 29, 2020

No I would not go. Being crammed on a train would be stupid

sydney · May 29, 2020

well **** me i am well surprised at that ......you really have been sucked in haven't you.....ffs....

sydney · May 29, 2020

Black Hill said:
It has been reported in various sources today, that locally the R number is again above 1. Brighton & Hove is 4th out of 180 local authorities in relation to new infections.

I can see this eventually affecting proposed forthcoming games at the Amex.

sorry ....what are we calling the R number ...i must admit i haven't been keeping my finger on the pulse .

Bozza · May 29, 2020

sydney said:
sorry ....what are we calling the R number ...i must admit i haven't been keeping my finger on the pulse .

The R number is the rate of virus reproduction, ie how the virus can spread.

It is believed that with us all living normally (old normal), and with no natural immunity to Covid-19, then R is about 3, which means each infected person will infect 3 others on average. This causes exponential growth in the spread of the virus, to the point that health services become overwhelmed etc.

The magic number for R is 1. Below this value it means the virus spread is diminishing. Keeping R below 1 for a sustained period of time will see it gradually die out. Above 1 means more and more people will become infected.

The Argus are reporting R may now be above 1 in Brighton and Hove...

New analysis compares the number of confirmed cases reported by an authority over a two-week period to estimate the trend of this number.

Last week, Brighton and Hove registered 18 new cases.

The week before, it registered eight new cases.

The analysis calculated the estimated R-value in Brighton and Hove on Monday was 1.68. Two weeks earlier it was 0.45.

The analysis plots the R number in East Sussex at 1.32, compared with 0.43 two weeks prior. In West Sussex it is 0.69 compared with 0.49 two weeks prior.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18482234.coronavirus-brighton-hove-r-number-might-1/

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