Herd Immunity 2.0?

RossyG said:

With that we need to be real.

Scientists might break all records and have something prepared in months.

But then again, it might take years or might never come. Vaccines usually take years and coronavirus vaccines are very hard to make.

At this point, we don't know what that future holds.

For the present, we need to live with this like we do other illnesses. The best thing we currently have is our own immune systems. I'd like to see the emphasis on encouraging the boosting of those. There seems to be a lot of suggestions that Vitamin D could help stave off the worst of Covid-19 (before you get it). This might be why BAMEs are dying more than Europeans. Their dark skin repels sunlight while ours absorbs it.

Perhaps start focussing on that. A Vitamin D tablet or two won't do any harm.

I think the war on obesity initiative recently floated is another attempt to build up health and immunity.

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beorhthelm said:

herd immunity, either by natural infection or vaccine, is indeed the only way will manage the virus. only daft buggers keep making any argument against this.

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darkwolf666 said:

Is that the daft buggers who may die if they contract the virus. Currently there are 2.5 million daft buggers shielding. Just let them die, problem sorted.

It's worked for the care home crisis, plenty of beds in old people's homes now!

A rather neat way of sorting out the pensions and care home crisis all in one go, nice spot of natural euthanasia working in the government's favour!

And yes, I am being dramatic, but this is the reality facing some...

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The Wizard said:

It’s clear you’ve taken what he said and spun it into your own context, young healthy people building up immunity not only benefits the younger generations but in the long run helps stop vulnerable people being infected, whilst the vulnerable are shielded the more people who become immune = less people who can infect those vulnerable.

Another point I would add, I think there is a big switch going on in older/vulnerable people, I have 3 older relatives who to begin with were scared to go out but are now sick of all this, they acknowledge the risk to themselves but they are becoming more willing to take the risk and don’t want to waste their golden years locked up indoors not knowing when they’ll ever be able to leave the house again. The mental toll it takes on you knowing you are locked up with no end date is torture for many older people.

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Deportivo Seagull said:

We are living with MERS.

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nicko31 said:

Yesterday Johnson "Coronavirus vaccine might not come to fruition"

Today Raab "UK may live with the virus for months if not years"

Whether we like it or not it we've being softened up, the lockdown is well and truly over. Seems like Herd Immunity 2.0 to be me

Do we have any choice?

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vegster said:

I think this is exactly the plan, I fear we are becoming immune to the new cases/ deaths figures faster than to the virus.

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RossyG said:

False binary. Number 10 and the media were on the same side for ages pushing the fear narrative.

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The Wizard said:

It’s clear you’ve taken what he said and spun it into your own context, young healthy people building up immunity not only benefits the younger generations but in the long run helps stop vulnerable people being infected, whilst the vulnerable are shielded the more people who become immune = less people who can infect those vulnerable.

Another point I would add, I think there is a big switch going on in older/vulnerable people, I have 3 older relatives who to begin with were scared to go out but are now sick of all this, they acknowledge the risk to themselves but they are becoming more willing to take the risk and don’t want to waste their golden years locked up indoors not knowing when they’ll ever be able to leave the house again. The mental toll it takes on you knowing you are locked up with no end date is torture for many older people.

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vegster said:

I think this is exactly the plan, I fear we are becoming immune to the new cases/ deaths figures faster than to the virus.

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darkwolf666 said:

Yep, they are just numbers on a spreadsheet, numbers on a news bulletin, they are good news when “only” 200 die!

Only they aren’t just numbers, they are real people, who have/had family members who will now be grieving for them!

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The Wizard said:

And what about all the people who face turmoil in a few months time when their loved ones die from stopped cancer treatments or undiagnosed cancer and other illnesses? People needing organ transplants? What about all the people who have lost livelihoods and face depression and mental health issues, what about the deaths a long term economic depression is proven to cause? Just to put the cancer thing into perspective, in April alone there were 20% of the normal cancer diagnosis plus tens of thousands of people had current cancer treatments stopped. It’s catastrophic.

The people who have died from COVID, are not a number but the only way people have of seeing where we are in the crisis is to use the number, nobody is celebrating the people dying, I hate it when I see people say this it’s just deliberately taking comments out of a context you know isn’t meant like that.

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darkwolf666 said:

So you can honestly say, hand on heart that you haven’t said “only xxx have died today”, if so we’ll done...

I guess from my family’s point of view we are quite lucky as my wife’s cancer is so severe they didn’t stop her treatment...!

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darkwolf666 said:

Yep, they are just numbers on a spreadsheet, numbers on a news bulletin, they are good news when “only” 200 die!

Only they aren’t just numbers, they are real people, who have/had family members who will now be grieving for them!

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The Wizard said:

Yes because this time a month ago 1000+ people were dying in hospitals alone, now hospital deaths are 1/4 that, just because people say only doesn’t mean they don’t respect that’s still a lot of people - it’s just the only way we actually have it gauging where we are with this virus.

Sorry to hear about your wife, all the best hope her treatment is successful.

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darkwolf666 said:

I'm sorry, but I get very humpy when I hear people talking about the number of deaths, as clearly it is very close to home.

I need to try and chill a bit, I know!

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Justice said:

Visited a supermarket yesterday no social distancing no queues to get in, the place was rammed I quickly departed. Give it a week or so and the country will be back in lockdown.

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Justice said:

Visited a supermarket yesterday no social distancing no queues to get in, the place was rammed I quickly departed. Give it a week or so and the country will be back in lockdown.

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blue-shifted said:

Was that Aldi or Lidl?

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