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[Football] Finishing the Championship



Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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Back in Sussex
A cut and paste from an email from The Athletic this morning, which suggests it might all work out OK for dirty Leeds...

(This is only the start of the article which they freely distributed, the rest is behind the paywall here >>> https://theathletic.com/1809485/)

As the Premier League steps up its planned return to action for the second weekend of June and Leagues One and Two squabble over how to resolve their soon-to-be-abandoned campaigns, one division remains clouded in mystery.

The Championship, home to world-famous clubs including Leeds United and Nottingham Forest, has a rough plan for players to resume training this coming Monday but internally, several highly senior figures at a series of clubs have outlined fears that the second tier of English football will not be played to a conclusion. During discreet conversations with many Championship clubs this week, figures in both the boardroom and on coaching teams detailed widespread fears to The Athletic that the league campaign may join League One and Two in being curtailed. The consensus is that clubs still want to find a way to play on but that it feels increasingly unfeasible to do so. Several clubs are now suggesting that only Championship play-off fixtures between the clubs placed between third and sixth position will be played.

The unease over fulfilling the league fixture list centres on whether some of the smaller clubs in the Championship possess both the financial capacity and the logistical space to comply with the rigorous scientific advice that is guiding the Premier League's protocols. As one coach outlines: "The Championship is bigger in terms of the number of teams and number of matches still to be played than the Premier League but we also have reduced financial capability to fund testing and some teams just do not have the space at the training ground to safely fulfil the social distancing measures that will be necessary. If players in the Premier League do not think they are safe, can we really say Championship players are if there's less cash going into it?"

On Wednesday, the EFL is set to host a series of highly-charging meetings. In the morning, discussions will take place with League One and League Two clubs. These two divisions are expected to be abandoned and disputes are already emerging over the points-per-game formulas that may be applied to decide promotions and relegations. Peterborough chairman Darragh MacAnthony has, for example, warned the EFL to prepare for "a legal battle of epic proportions" if promotion is awarded and his side do not go up. Peterborough are one of seven clubs separated by three points between Rotherham in second and Wycombe in eighth. Between the seven, several teams have games in hand, while others have played an odd number of fixtures, skewing the number of home and away matches played.

If those conversations have the potential to be inflammatory, then the fate of Championship clubs will offer even greater turbulence. The divergence of briefings and vested interests in the Championship make it difficult, at this point, to speak with any level of certainty over conclusions.
 




Ludensian Gull

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Apr 18, 2009
3,684
Thorpness Suffolk
A cut and paste from an email from The Athletic this morning, which suggests it might all work out OK for dirty Leeds...

(This is only the start of the article which they freely distributed, the rest is behind the paywall here >>> https://theathletic.com/1809485/)

As the Premier League steps up its planned return to action for the second weekend of June and Leagues One and Two squabble over how to resolve their soon-to-be-abandoned campaigns, one division remains clouded in mystery.

The Championship, home to world-famous clubs including Leeds United and Nottingham Forest, has a rough plan for players to resume training this coming Monday but internally, several highly senior figures at a series of clubs have outlined fears that the second tier of English football will not be played to a conclusion. During discreet conversations with many Championship clubs this week, figures in both the boardroom and on coaching teams detailed widespread fears to The Athletic that the league campaign may join League One and Two in being curtailed. The consensus is that clubs still want to find a way to play on but that it feels increasingly unfeasible to do so. Several clubs are now suggesting that only Championship play-off fixtures between the clubs placed between third and sixth position will be played.

The unease over fulfilling the league fixture list centres on whether some of the smaller clubs in the Championship possess both the financial capacity and the logistical space to comply with the rigorous scientific advice that is guiding the Premier League's protocols. As one coach outlines: "The Championship is bigger in terms of the number of teams and number of matches still to be played than the Premier League but we also have reduced financial capability to fund testing and some teams just do not have the space at the training ground to safely fulfil the social distancing measures that will be necessary. If players in the Premier League do not think they are safe, can we really say Championship players are if there's less cash going into it?"

On Wednesday, the EFL is set to host a series of highly-charging meetings. In the morning, discussions will take place with League One and League Two clubs. These two divisions are expected to be abandoned and disputes are already emerging over the points-per-game formulas that may be applied to decide promotions and relegations. Peterborough chairman Darragh MacAnthony has, for example, warned the EFL to prepare for "a legal battle of epic proportions" if promotion is awarded and his side do not go up. Peterborough are one of seven clubs separated by three points between Rotherham in second and Wycombe in eighth. Between the seven, several teams have games in hand, while others have played an odd number of fixtures, skewing the number of home and away matches played.

If those conversations have the potential to be inflammatory, then the fate of Championship clubs will offer even greater turbulence. The divergence of briefings and vested interests in the Championship make it difficult, at this point, to speak with any level of certainty over conclusions.
They missed out Massive when mentioning world famous clubs :lol:
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,184
Reckon the money at stake for those still in with a shot at the Big Gold Prize of the PL - which looks to be about half the league at the current stage - will carry the day. It's either complete the league or see you in court
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,339
Uffern
I don't get this: the PL has to be played to a finish as it wouldn't be possible to relegate teams based on current position as it would affect the integrity of the competition but it is all right to promote teams based on their current position.

Surely it should be the same for both divisions?
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
14,848
Just bin it all and start football again when it's safe to do so.
 




Garry Nelson's Left Foot

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Jul 7, 2003
13,121
tokyo
If they're only going to do the play offs they should do a six team play off.

1st fround:

a)3rd v 6th
b)4th v 5th

2nd round

1st v winner game b
2nd v winner game a

Winners gain promotion.

3rd round
two losers of round two playing for the third promotion spot.

This way Leeds and West Brom have the advantage of only needing to win one game which seems fair as they're both clear at the top but not so clear that it's inevitable that they're both going up. This way one of them definitely will go up, probably both.
 


Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
I don't get this: the PL has to be played to a finish as it wouldn't be possible to relegate teams based on current position as it would affect the integrity of the competition but it is all right to promote teams based on their current position.

Surely it should be the same for both divisions?
Yes.

It would really, really stink if PL teams are relegated after being forced to play under different rules ( behind closed doors, no VAR etc. ), and they were replaced by Championship clubs which hadn't finished a full season.


There needs to be fairness and consistency with this.
 






lost in london

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Dec 10, 2003
1,783
London
Everything I read about re-starting the football season only makes me more certain that the only way is to cancel the whole lot, scrap the 2019-2020 season and start again when it's safe to do so as if this season hadn't happened.
 


essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
4,130
Everything I read about re-starting the football season only makes me more certain that the only way is to cancel the whole lot, scrap the 2019-2020 season and start again when it's safe to do so as if this season hadn't happened.

This. The courts are going to be overflowing with any other outcome. Ok - there might still be lawsuits, but not on the scale of some
of the suggestions.
 


Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
This. The courts are going to be overflowing with any other outcome. Ok - there might still be lawsuits, but not on the scale of some
of the suggestions.
The comforting thing is we know that the Albion arn't afraid of litigation, and will surely defend our own interests robustly in court.
 




Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
14,848
No dont bin....but delay the start.....as a matter of interest what’s your definition of safe?

When the matchday experience can be the same as it was before football stopped.
 




neilbard

Hedging up
Oct 8, 2013
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Tyringham
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SeagullinExile

Well-known member
Sep 10, 2010
5,699
London
Norwich breaking the silence now. They make some good points re the Championship not finishing on the pitch.
 








SeagullinExile

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Sep 10, 2010
5,699
London
When do they take over as "most hated" on Twitter ?

Leeds fans are sharpening the blades as we type. TBF, Norwich have a good point. Especially as any relegated team would of played 25% of the season in a short space of time, then have to compete an entire season against opponents who've had months off!

Does seem unfair.
 


Arthur

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Jul 8, 2003
8,570
Buxted Harbour
If they're only going to do the play offs they should do a six team play off.

1st fround:

a)3rd v 6th
b)4th v 5th

2nd round

1st v winner game b
2nd v winner game a

Winners gain promotion.

3rd round
two losers of round two playing for the third promotion spot.

This way Leeds and West Brom have the advantage of only needing to win one game which seems fair as they're both clear at the top but not so clear that it's inevitable that they're both going up. This way one of them definitely will go up, probably both.

That's a great idea BUT you are still going to have a problem with the teams that aren't in the top six now. You could make an argument given how tight it is that you could go down as far as Birmingham in 16th as having a chance of making a late run for the play offs.

There is always one team that comes from no where to nick a play off place every season and I'm sure all of those team will argue that.
 


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