It's been a weird day of Covid-19 news in Sweden and I think maybe it deserves its own thread since its quite remarkable, interesting and something that could have massive consequences on a number of levels.
Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tengell today said:
- Probably some people in Sweden were infected with the corona virus in November. But we're not going to map the cases backwards, says Tegnell. - This is not something we want to burden the health care system with.
In mid April it was reported that several participants at the Military Olympic Games held in Wuhan on 17-29 October 2019 came home sick, and had Covid-19-like symptoms.
On April 16 Sweden tested five of these participants with brand new (and not necessarily functional) antibody tests. One tested positive (but could have got the virus later), four negative.
You might also have read the news about Amirouche Hammar, the French guy who got the virus on December 27, three days before China confirmed its first case.
And you might have read this article from Business Insider:
"As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.
Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents."
Some of the question this rises to me is: if the US intelligence services knew about this, and cases where likely in Sweden (and other places), this should mean it is very likely that intelligence services knew already in November that something was wrong. Did our governments ignore early warnings?
Trigger warning: my moderate lizard views begin here
In that case - why? Is it intentional? Or perhaps more likely to some: Is this whole pandemic the result of a massive unintended and now classified top secret **** up by the worlds two superpowers? If this is the case, of course it would be top secret - it would be a threat to national security. A unprevented highly preventable pandemic of this proportion would demand the heads of many.
So what implies that this could be a massive ****up?
As you may remember, China was reporting in their state news that the virus could have come from America. The US and the media called it "conspiracy theories". To you none tin-foilers, I know from experience that calling something a conspiracy theory immediatly stigmatize a perspective regardless of how true or not true it is.
Meanwhile, the US government and some media outlets says it could have come from the Wuhan lab - also denounced as "conspiracy theories".
What some of us tin-foilers believe is that Covid-19 could have been around for a while - and possibly mutated at the Military Olympics in Wuhan, creating a more contagius disease.
Why do we believe this is possible?
Because the Wuhan lab was not the only lab of some importance in 2019. Last summer, the army biodefense lab of Fort Detrick had to shut down because of safety concerns.
The exact nature of the problem was not revealed:
"In the statement, the C.D.C. cited “national security reasons” as the rationale for not releasing information about its decision."
Since the start of the Obama era and continuing in the Trump era, people who share confidential - regardless of the nature - information to media face a very high risk of getting lifetime imprisonment, so we are unlikely to ever understand what really happened.
But what some of us tinfoilers believe is that whatever leaked from the American biolab could have been, at the Military Olympics, mixed up with whatever leaked from the Wuhan lab (or that pangolin for that matter), creating a weird virus that does not behave like your average virus.
Who knows.
But regardless: if Covid 19, or some earlier mutation of it, infected people in October/November 2019, it would be really.. interesting in multiple ways. Not least since a lot of you guys have been writing about a weird cough you got during this time.
Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tengell today said:
- Probably some people in Sweden were infected with the corona virus in November. But we're not going to map the cases backwards, says Tegnell. - This is not something we want to burden the health care system with.
In mid April it was reported that several participants at the Military Olympic Games held in Wuhan on 17-29 October 2019 came home sick, and had Covid-19-like symptoms.
On April 16 Sweden tested five of these participants with brand new (and not necessarily functional) antibody tests. One tested positive (but could have got the virus later), four negative.
You might also have read the news about Amirouche Hammar, the French guy who got the virus on December 27, three days before China confirmed its first case.
And you might have read this article from Business Insider:
"As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.
Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents."
Some of the question this rises to me is: if the US intelligence services knew about this, and cases where likely in Sweden (and other places), this should mean it is very likely that intelligence services knew already in November that something was wrong. Did our governments ignore early warnings?
Trigger warning: my moderate lizard views begin here
In that case - why? Is it intentional? Or perhaps more likely to some: Is this whole pandemic the result of a massive unintended and now classified top secret **** up by the worlds two superpowers? If this is the case, of course it would be top secret - it would be a threat to national security. A unprevented highly preventable pandemic of this proportion would demand the heads of many.
So what implies that this could be a massive ****up?
As you may remember, China was reporting in their state news that the virus could have come from America. The US and the media called it "conspiracy theories". To you none tin-foilers, I know from experience that calling something a conspiracy theory immediatly stigmatize a perspective regardless of how true or not true it is.
Meanwhile, the US government and some media outlets says it could have come from the Wuhan lab - also denounced as "conspiracy theories".
What some of us tin-foilers believe is that Covid-19 could have been around for a while - and possibly mutated at the Military Olympics in Wuhan, creating a more contagius disease.
Why do we believe this is possible?
Because the Wuhan lab was not the only lab of some importance in 2019. Last summer, the army biodefense lab of Fort Detrick had to shut down because of safety concerns.
The exact nature of the problem was not revealed:
"In the statement, the C.D.C. cited “national security reasons” as the rationale for not releasing information about its decision."
Since the start of the Obama era and continuing in the Trump era, people who share confidential - regardless of the nature - information to media face a very high risk of getting lifetime imprisonment, so we are unlikely to ever understand what really happened.
But what some of us tinfoilers believe is that whatever leaked from the American biolab could have been, at the Military Olympics, mixed up with whatever leaked from the Wuhan lab (or that pangolin for that matter), creating a weird virus that does not behave like your average virus.
Who knows.
But regardless: if Covid 19, or some earlier mutation of it, infected people in October/November 2019, it would be really.. interesting in multiple ways. Not least since a lot of you guys have been writing about a weird cough you got during this time.
