Is this nature pressing the 'reset' button ?

Easy 10 · Apr 10, 2020

Doubtless its been mentioned somewhere else, but is this Mother Earth kicking back on the human race ? The news today was reporting that since the pandemic and resulting lockdowns, air pollution levels around Beijing have been down by 50%, and in the UK around London and other major cities, the levels have dropped by around 25%. Everyone on the planet is having to alter lifestyles and reassess habits. Covid seemingly only affects human beings, the rest of nature carries on unaffected. Who knows what the worldwide death toll will eventually be during this crisis. Once this pandemic has passed, it will undoubtedly have far-reaching effects on how we live our lives from now on.

It feels to me like we, as humans, are getting an overdue boot up the arse right now from nature. Perhaps a tipping point in the un-arrested climate change has finally been reached, and this is the response. Pretty damned effective, if thats the case.

clapham_gull · Apr 10, 2020

Easy 10 said:
Doubtless its been mentioned somewhere else, but is this Mother Earth kicking back on the human race ? The news today was reporting that since the pandemic and resulting lockdowns, air pollution levels around Beijing have been down by 50%, and in the UK around London and other major cities, the levels have dropped by around 25%. Everyone on the planet is having to alter lifestyles and reassess habits. Covid seemingly only affects human beings, the rest of nature carries on unaffected. Who knows what the worldwide death toll will eventually be during this crisis. Once this pandemic has passed, it will undoubtedly have far-reaching effects on how we live our lives from now on.

It feels to me like we, as humans, are getting an overdue boot up the arse right now from nature. Perhaps a tipping point in the un-arrested climate change has finally been reached, and this is the response. Pretty damned effective, if thats the case.

Well technically a single tiger has tested positive and if you or I was that that tiger we'd be utterly utterly ****ed off.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/health/co...s-victim-after-testing-positive-virus-2530122

darkwolf666 · Apr 10, 2020

Easy 10 said:
Doubtless its been mentioned somewhere else, but is this Mother Earth kicking back on the human race ? The news today was reporting that since the pandemic and resulting lockdowns, air pollution levels around Beijing have been down by 50%, and in the UK around London and other major cities, the levels have dropped by around 25%. Everyone on the planet is having to alter lifestyles and reassess habits. Covid seemingly only affects human beings, the rest of nature carries on unaffected. Who knows what the worldwide death toll will eventually be during this crisis. Once this pandemic has passed, it will undoubtedly have far-reaching effects on how we live our lives from now on.

It feels to me like we, as humans, are getting an overdue boot up the arse right now from nature. Perhaps a tipping point in the un-arrested climate change has finally been reached, and this is the response. Pretty damned effective, if thats the case.

I feel we are a bit like the Martians from War of the Worlds, we have “visited” this planet and wreaked havoc on it, then a simple thing like a bug or virus wipes us out...!

That HG Wells was a forward thinker, nearly as good as Nostradamus...

seagull_special · Apr 10, 2020

I don’t think nature hit reset, we pressed the self destruct button, that our finger has been hovering over for decades. Nature does not care about humanity and what we do, however destructive we are, after the carnage the planet will heal and regenerate, we are just a fly in the ointment in history. There will be a desire for humanity to hopefully hit the reset button but there will be a massive clash between shareholder driven profit reaping companies who will try and drive us back to old habits and those wishing to make the world a better place, community has shone through in many countries, even if the press want to portray everyone as bog roll boarding survivalists. 750K people volunteered to help the community and I think this could be become one of the targets for a post Corona society. Even during these most challenging times for a lot of people the opportunity to reconnect to our families has been precious. The commuter who has a 12 hour day or longer everyday never has the opportunity to spend quality time with their kids. A more community based society where we are not enslaved by our jobs with ever increasing demands and you aren’t considered to be pulling your weight if you leave the office first, is very desirable but that is one aspect. Millions of jobs could be lost worldwide never to be replaced, our spending habits may change, travel will be perceived as high risk so we may become more insular. We may want to support small businesses, corner shops, butchers and chemists as we appreciate our local communities. I can’t believe there won’t be massive investment in the NHS, that their work conditions are overhauled that medical staff are not expected to work in lethal conditions with lack of equipment, that junior doctors aren’t expected to work 18 hour days. I think also this might be time for a universal basic income which has been touted as a salve for job losses due to technological advances. There will never be a better time to introduce it. The thought of people living in poverty and children going to bed hungry is frankly repugnant but is a bigger risk than ever in these trying circumstances. My final thought is that, this generation will be first to understand that every single thing we take for granted as a given right, is in fact precious and to be valued, appreciated and protected. I hope for a better society where we come together as a community but big business will not profit from this and there lies the risk of everything going back to the way it was in a years time. Stay strong, stay safe and stay indoors.

wellquickwoody · Apr 10, 2020

Easy 10 said:
Doubtless its been mentioned somewhere else, but is this Mother Earth kicking back on the human race ?

No, as Mother Nature is a figment of human imagination.

seagull_special said:
I don’t think nature hit reset, we pressed the self destruct button, that our finger has been hovering over for decades.

No, the Chinese accidentally hit the self destruct button on the human race’ behalf having missed it on many thousands of previous occassions. The appalling hygiene in their wet markets mixed with live animals was a disaster waiting to happen.

Bold Seagull · Apr 10, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
No, as Mother Nature is a figment of human imagination.

No, the Chinese accidentally hit the self destruct button on the human race’ behalf having missed it on many thousands of previous occassions. The appalling hygiene in their wet markets mixed with live animals was a disaster waiting to happen.

If afterwards we brush this over as just a result of Chinese wet markets, it will be a huge collective mistake. Global food production and our relationship with animals in the food chain needs a massive re-think. Believing that it will all be okay if China shut down their wet markets and that will be that is missing the larger picture.

RossyG · Apr 10, 2020

Was AIDS nature hitting a reset button too?

wellquickwoody · Apr 10, 2020

Bold Seagull said:
If afterwards we brush this over as just a result of Chinese wet markets, it will be a huge collective mistake. Global food production and our relationship with animals in the food chain needs a massive re-think. Believing that it will all be okay if China shut down their wet markets and that will be that is missing the larger picture.

The ‘this’ in the thread title is referring to the current world crisis caused by the Covid-19 virus which as far as can be known is directly linked to the ‘wet’ markets. Don’t get all ‘Greta’.

The Clamp · Apr 10, 2020

No. None of the pandemics that have come before have stopped our stupid behaviour long term. This one won’t either. In fact it will probably make it worse afterward as corporations clamber to recoup losses by quadrupling their efforts.

Humans go out one of two ways, I reckon.

Sudden and unstoppable nuclear war that we have almost no warning of.
Or
Catastrophic climate change that accelerates over a period of years leading to earth being uninhabitable but not before uncontrolled migration, riots, war and untold misery.

It doesn’t end well for us.

Happy Easter, everyone

The Clamp · Apr 10, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
The ‘this’ in the thread title is referring to the current world crisis caused by the Covid-19 virus which as far as can be known is directly linked to the ‘wet’ markets. Don’t get all ‘Greta’.

He’s right. If the answers make you uncomfortable, cease asking the questions.

wellquickwoody · Apr 10, 2020

The Clamp said:
He’s right. If the answers make you uncomfortable, cease asking the questions.

I didn’t ask any questions, now go away and be kind.

rogersix · Apr 10, 2020

The Clamp said:
No. None of the pandemics that have come before have stopped our stupid behaviour long term. This one won’t either. In fact it will probably make it worse afterward as corporations clamber to recoup losses by quadrupling their efforts.

Humans go out one of two ways, I reckon.

Sudden and unstoppable nuclear war that we have almost no warning of.
Or
Catastrophic climate change that accelerates over a period of years leading to earth being uninhabitable but not before uncontrolled migration, riots, war and untold misery.

It doesn’t end well for us.

Happy Easter, everyone

it can't end well for us as it's the end

Machiavelli · Apr 10, 2020

Bold Seagull said:
If afterwards we brush this over as just a result of Chinese wet markets, it will be a huge collective mistake. Global food production and our relationship with animals in the food chain needs a massive re-think. Believing that it will all be okay if China shut down their wet markets and that will be that is missing the larger picture.

You're right, of course, but too many of us know that certain posters are itching to indulge in racism

Machiavelli · Apr 10, 2020

As has been said, nature doesn't have buttons, and one thing we should do is avoid anthropomorphizing nature. That said, it will soon be announced by another scientific body that we're living in the anthropocene, which basically means that humans have created a new geological age due to the way in which we've transformed it over the past 250/500 years. But it's not CV19 that illustrates that, it's the combination of: economic system oriented around endless -- and, more dangerously, blind -- growth; and, the scientific method that enables us to manipulate nature.

beorhthelm · Apr 10, 2020

Bold Seagull said:
If afterwards we brush this over as just a result of Chinese wet markets, it will be a huge collective mistake. Global food production and our relationship with animals in the food chain needs a massive re-think. Believing that it will all be okay if China shut down their wet markets and that will be that is missing the larger picture.

are you trying to suggest global food chains and general animal care are somehow responsible for the spread of Covid-19? or using this crisis to drive other agendas?

The Clamp · Apr 10, 2020

wellquickwoody said:
I didn’t ask any questions, now go away and be kind.

You have misunderstood our relationship. You don’t get to tell me what to do.

Have a lovely Easter. Stay safe

TBTC

beorhthelm · Apr 10, 2020

Machiavelli said:
As has been said, nature doesn't have buttons, and one thing we should do is avoid anthropomorphizing nature. That said, it will soon be announced by another scientific body that we're living in the anthropocene, which basically means that humans have created a new geological age due to the way in which we've transformed it over the past 250/500 years. But it's not CV19 that illustrates that, it's the combination of: economic system oriented around endless -- and, more dangerously, blind -- growth; and, the scientific method that enables us to manipulate nature.

we're been altering the planet for at least 8000 years, when we begun farming. its arguably something that defines us as human.

Bakero · Apr 10, 2020

Machiavelli said:
As has been said, nature doesn't have buttons, and one thing we should do is avoid anthropomorphizing nature. That said, it will soon be announced by another scientific body that we're living in the anthropocene, which basically means that humans have created a new geological age due to the way in which we've transformed it over the past 250/500 years. But it's not CV19 that illustrates that, it's the combination of: economic system oriented around endless -- and, more dangerously, blind -- growth; and, the scientific method that enables us to manipulate nature.

Did you see that Amsterdam is looking to implement Kate Raworth's "doughnut"? Spain looking at UBI. Everyone finally realising what jobs are important.

Will Covid be the catalyst for global change, or will it be business as usual? You can bet there'll be some that will use it as an excuse for austerity 2.0.

Mr Banana · Apr 10, 2020

Not really. It's a nice thought but I reckon it's as misguided as saying a social levelling is happening.

Off the top of my head, many environmental regulations are being relaxed as a result of the pandemic, and more people than ever will be intent on travelling - almost exclusively through unsustainable methods of transport - once travel lockdowns have been lifted.

Bold Seagull · Apr 10, 2020

beorhthelm said:
are you trying to suggest global food chains and general animal care are somehow responsible for the spread of Covid-19? or using this crisis to drive other agendas?

beorhthelm said:
we're been altering the planet for at least 8000 years, when we begun farming. its arguably something that defines us as human.

No, you see people like yourself immediately jump on it as if you’re going to be forced to be vegetarian. That isn’t the point. If you think there is any relationship between the farming processes of the past 7900 years, to the last 100years, then you need to open your mind to what is happening.

You‘ve immediately called it an ‘agenda’ because you’re immediately on the defensive. This is a problem, and justifying that we farmed for 8000 years isn’t an answer.

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