Number of Deaths

darkwolf666 said:

So if these 5,400 people didn't die of Covid, what was their cause of death - do we get that answer, or just a rewriting of the figures to suite an agenda?

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beorhthelm said:

everyone has cause of death recorded. sometimes they have comorbidities, more than one illnesses. one will be recorded as primary cause of death, others listed as present at time of death. no data is lost. if you're in hospital for more than 28 with covid and die from this, it will still count as covid (clinical diagnosis still count)

its about classification. we have overstated the number dieing from covid, counting when they die having had covid at some indeterminate point in past. like the proverbial bus strike victim (offered by a science chap, not a politician). the data was reported wrong now this is corrected. this sort of thing happens all the time, we just dont normally see it because we arent seeing daily updates, we see a report months later after corrections and adjustments are made.

its quite important adjustment, because we have a large number of excess deaths that are not covid. if we dont see this properly, we wont address it properly: why are there 5600 non-covid excess deaths? thats not really an agenda.

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helipilot said:

More people died in March 2019 and 2018 than they did in 2020. A good video source here;

https://news.sky.com/video/covid-19-how-do-figures-of-virus-deaths-compare-to-a-normal-year-11964813

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WATFORD zero said:

So after re-defining the way Covid deaths are counted as being within 28 days of a positive test, the Government is now saying that only two thirds of the 62,000 excess deaths are due to Covid.

So what could have caused the other 20,000 odd excess deaths then ?

I wonder how many died without tests before the UK's testing became 'world beating'

Simply further proof that Excess deaths is the only unadulterated, accurate figure.

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nicko31 said:

They'll be telling us the rest of the G7 calculates GDP in a different way next

The aim is to confuse the public with a view to getting themselves off the hook

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WATFORD zero said:

So after re-defining the way Covid deaths are counted as being within 28 days of a positive test, the Government is now saying that only two thirds of the 62,000 excess deaths are due to Covid.

So what could have caused the other 20,000 odd excess deaths then ?

I wonder how many died without tests before the UK's testing became 'world beating'

Simply further proof that Excess deaths is the only unadulterated, accurate figure.

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beorhthelm said:

i learnt recently we do. we count the output of education and some other sectors based on different metrics to simpler input=output most use. not clear the effect of this usually, when the educaiton sector is closed for 3 months it will have negative affect.

this change to counting covid doesnt get anyone off any hook, it prompts more probing questions, the excess deaths need to be explained. we're skirting around the reason, we know its because hospitals stopped admissions and treatments, so thousands didnt receive treatments they would have otherwise have had.

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beorhthelm said:

i learnt recently we do. we count the output of education and some other sectors based on different metrics to simpler input=output most use. not clear the effect of this usually, when the educaiton sector is closed for 3 months it will have negative affect.

this change to counting covid doesnt get anyone off any hook, it prompts more probing questions, the excess deaths need to be explained. we're skirting around the reason, we know its because hospitals stopped admissions and treatments, so thousands didnt receive treatments they would have otherwise have had.

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Kinky Gerbils said:

I’m not defending the clowns here.

But would it be better to see what the excess deaths are at the end of the year?

If it’s back down, would that back up the thought a large number of deaths would have happened this year?

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Saltydog said:

Is there a site anywhere that includes the 5 year average vs number of 2020 excess/total deaths by country?

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WATFORD zero said:

This has been good and kept fairly up to date throughout the pandemic (half way down page)

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

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WATFORD zero said:

Certainly the age profile of those who died is such that, all other things being equal, you would expect to see the number of excess deaths drop over the next few months and years as all of those who have died early would have reached the end of their natural lives.(I believe some calculations have been made already on the average number of years lost by those who have died early).

And, as pointed out above, the flu death rates were lower than normal. The simple fact is that the Government hasn't had the measures or testing in place (across all aspects) to accurately tell what was happening until very recently.

Any re-classifying deaths of deaths now, at this stage, ignoring all that went on earlier, is simply to make the difference between excess deaths and what the Government reports as deaths as wide as possible. But each time they do this, they simply increase the number of deaths for which they have no explanation

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beorhthelm said:

i learnt recently we do. we count the output of education and some other sectors based on different metrics to simpler input=output most use. not clear the effect of this usually, when the educaiton sector is closed for 3 months it will have negative affect.

this change to counting covid doesnt get anyone off any hook, it prompts more probing questions, the excess deaths need to be explained. we're skirting around the reason, we know its because hospitals stopped admissions and treatments, so thousands didnt receive treatments they would have otherwise have had.

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darkwolf666 said:

Did we really just stop treating ALL ill people apart from those with Covid?

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darkwolf666 said:

Are you really saying an extra 20,000 people died in 3 months because they didn't have treatment that would otherwise have saved their lives? I find that figure a little hard to believe. Did we really just stop treating ALL ill people apart from those with Covid?

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beorhthelm said:

im not saying it, the data is telling us this happened.

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