[Offers] UFO:s & aliens

Swansman said:

I read this article yesterday:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407<

Its about a game in Italy that was stopped because some crazy stuff was going on in the sky. One of the most interesting UFO incidents I've heard of tbh.

What are your theories/opinions/experiences on this often ridiculed but rather fascinating subject?

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

I have an episode of The Avengers on DVD from around 1965, and it is about a UFO which Peel and Steed repeatedly refer to as an 'UnidentiFied Object'. The terminology clearly wasn't yet part of the national lexicon back then. It is equivalent to calling an OAP an 'Old Pensioner' This suggests that we invented UFOs (as we know them today) fairly recently.

It saddens me that believers still exists who remain convinced they are extraterrestrial.

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Swansman said:

I'm sure your first paragrah makes sense somehow...

My personal view in the question "extraterrestrial" or "not extraterrestrial" is: **** do I know? I mean the universe is pretty fat so it seems pretty possible someone out there invented a decent vehicle to visit other planets. On the other hand, it also seem quite likely those visitors would be bit more interactive: maybe pet us or eat us or something.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

My first paragraph refers to a quaint English TV serious about which you probably know nothing. I will paste a photo below.

There are certainly no alien extraterrestrials. If there are exraterrestrials they would be much like life on Earth (albeit that is very diverse so the aliens are bound to have evolved to seem werd to us - but only withing parameters). This is because biology is predicated by cemistry. In theory it is possible to have silicon-based life forms but silicon simply does not have the chemistry to offer the diversity and flexibility of carbon. No other element can for the basis of something like DNA. Carbon is your limit. The idea of 'unknown elements' in case you ask defies the laws of mathematics, let alone physics, let alone chemistry.

Therefore if there are other carbon (or silicon) based life forms out there, their biochemistry would be very like ours, so they wouldn't be able to get to us, unless they made a craft that could accomodate thousands (millions?) of generations to navigate the trip. Would you commit to your descendants spending their entire lives and the lives of their descendents in a possibly futile intergalactic search for new life forms? With Cova-19, maybe...but not really though. By the way, there is no such thing as warp drive or 'faster than the speed of light' travel.

We have been searching the galaxies for years for signs of life, It may be out there but we haven't seen it yet. And it will never get to us.

That's all a bit sad, but we have science fiction and fantasy to entertain us. I love it. My personal favourite is the releatively old fashioned world of HP Lovecraft. Elrich horror. as he would put it.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

My first paragraph refers to a quaint English TV serious about which you probably know nothing. I will paste a photo below.

There are certainly no alien extraterrestrials. If there are exraterrestrials they would be much like life on Earth (albeit that is very diverse so the aliens are bound to have evolved to seem werd to us - but only withing parameters). This is because biology is predicated by cemistry. In theory it is possible to have silicon-based life forms but silicon simply does not have the chemistry to offer the diversity and flexibility of carbon. No other element can for the basis of something like DNA. Carbon is your limit. The idea of 'unknown elements' in case you ask defies the laws of mathematics, let alone physics, let alone chemistry.

Therefore if there are other carbon (or silicon) based life forms out there, their biochemistry would be very like ours, so they wouldn't be able to get to us, unless they made a craft that could accomodate thousands (millions?) of generations to navigate the trip. Would you commit to your descendants spending their entire lives and the lives of their descendents in a possibly futile intergalactic search for new life forms? With Cova-19, maybe...but not really though. By the way, there is no such thing as warp drive or 'faster than the speed of light' travel.

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Bakero said:

I'm not a believer, though I have an open mind, but to play devil's advocate wouldn't it defy the known laws of maths, physics and chemistry? Potentially, there's a lot we don't know, isn't there?

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Swansman said:

While I could never technically dispute any of what you just wrote, I wonder why academics often go this route and say "this or that is not possible according to science" when discoveries are made and theories change all the time. I mean certainly if I go back a few hundred years scientists would say "that is not possible" about some of the shit we're doing or "know" today.

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Bakero said:

I'm not a believer, though I have an open mind, but to play devil's advocate wouldn't it defy the known laws of maths, physics and chemistry? Potentially, there's a lot we don't know, isn't there?

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

As far as we are aware the laws of maths physics and chemistry apply everywhere, which is why they are laws rather than hypotheses. Certainly the laws that apply on earth apply on earth. You are playing the science fiction's advocate rather than the devils You are also illustrating our unique human ability - to imagine what we have never experienced.

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Swansman said:

How far are we aware?

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BeHereNow said:

Many documented incidents that have happened over the years could be aliens, or could be phenomena we just don’t understand. Either way, these things have happened and to say it’s definitely not ghosts is closed minded and unscientific.

How can I, as a human, possibly pretend to know the workings of the universe and the beings that may or may not be in it? Space is a very strange thing that we barely know anything about

I think there are, or have been other beings out there. If they have been around for more than a million years than we have, then who knows what kind of technology they have?

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

My first paragraph refers to a quaint English TV serious about which you probably know nothing. I will paste a photo below.

There are certainly no alien extraterrestrials. If there are exraterrestrials they would be much like life on Earth (albeit that is very diverse so the aliens are bound to have evolved to seem werd to us - but only withing parameters). This is because biology is predicated by cemistry. In theory it is possible to have silicon-based life forms but silicon simply does not have the chemistry to offer the diversity and flexibility of carbon. No other element can for the basis of something like DNA. Carbon is your limit. The idea of 'unknown elements' in case you ask defies the laws of mathematics, let alone physics, let alone chemistry.

Therefore if there are other carbon (or silicon) based life forms out there, their biochemistry would be very like ours, so they wouldn't be able to get to us, unless they made a craft that could accomodate thousands (millions?) of generations to navigate the trip. Would you commit to your descendants spending their entire lives and the lives of their descendents in a possibly futile intergalactic search for new life forms? With Cova-19, maybe...but not really though. By the way, there is no such thing as warp drive or 'faster than the speed of light' travel.

We have been searching the galaxies for years for signs of life, It may be out there but we haven't seen it yet. And it will never get to us.

That's all a bit sad, but we have science fiction and fantasy to entertain us. I love it. My personal favourite is the releatively old fashioned world of HP Lovecraft. Elrich horror. as he would put it.

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Swansman said:

I read this article yesterday:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407<

Its about a game in Italy that was stopped because some crazy stuff was going on in the sky. One of the most interesting UFO incidents I've heard of tbh.

What are your theories/opinions/experiences on this often ridiculed but rather fascinating subject?

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