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    That's all great but I'm talking about the shelf stackers, delivery drivers, those on minimum wage, NHS staff, the key workers havent been given any extra for what they're doing and I very much doubt they will once this is all over. I just dont think it's fair that someone that currently doesn't have a key job can get at least 80% of their earnings whilst someone like me that's self employed can claim £94 a week sick pay, thanks but no thanks I'll take my chances and carry on working instead of going bankrupt

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    This Government has thrown the self-employed under a bus. My business (musicians) is effectively finished if they donít come up with something better than 90 odd quid a week. Thatís less than a quarter of the minimum wage, who can possible pay all there bills and provide food for their family on that money. Iím disgusted with the lack of consideration for self-employed people who in many cases are creating new businesses and wealth for the economy up until now.

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      That's all great but I'm talking about the shelf stackers, delivery drivers, those on minimum wage, NHS staff, the key workers havent been given any extra for what they're doing and I very much doubt they will once this is all over. I just dont think it's fair that someone that currently doesn't have a key job can get at least 80% of their earnings whilst someone like me that's self employed can claim £94 a week sick pay, thanks but no thanks I'll take my chances and carry on working instead of going bankrupt

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      Several unrelated points there. Breaking it down:

      Shop workers and delivery drivers - shirley they’re paid by the hour for overtime, whatever their contract. Their employers are breaking the law, if not. No mention of this law breaking in the media at the moment.

      NHS staff, including my family - I’ve not heard one complaint in this crisis about their pay. As this pans out, this new unity amongst politicians, union and business leaders will hopefully look at this. At the moment they’re getting on with saving lives.

      Self employed - if you and your partner now have zero work, have the government mentioned yet what’s happening? They’re 5 million self employed, without help on rent ir mortgage, the cost of living, you’re right, huge numbers would go bankrupt. At present it looks like you now access to SSP, your personal tax won’t be payable this year, plus other benefits through universal credit. Your partners income in the household and your accounts record keeping will be important. A specialist area, you need to contact the department a.s.a.p.
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      This Government has thrown the self-employed under a bus. My business (musicians) is effectively finished if they donít come up with something better than 90 odd quid a week. Thatís less than a quarter of the minimum wage, who can possible pay all there bills and provide food for their family on that money. Iím disgusted with the lack of consideration for self-employed people who in many cases are creating new businesses and wealth for the economy up until now.
      Looking at the CAB website, you need to apply for Universal Credit.
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      This Government has thrown the self-employed under a bus. My business (musicians) is effectively finished if they donít come up with something better than 90 odd quid a week. Thatís less than a quarter of the minimum wage, who can possible pay all there bills and provide food for their family on that money. Iím disgusted with the lack of consideration for self-employed people who in many cases are creating new businesses and wealth for the economy up until now.
      I think the Government will deal with self-employed early next week, they have stated very clearly they will assist all working people through this crisis
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      Lots of confusion at my shop. Recent new joins have been sacked, staff they want to keep have been told their hours are reduced by 50% in order to keep their jobs. Will the government pay that 50% of lost hours so the company pays half/ Gov pays half or will the Gov pay 80% of current wages even if staff hours have been cut by 50 % ? Obviously it's daft going to work and being in close proximity to fellow staff if most of you are not actually needed..... Do we turn up, risk exposure to Covid-19 in order to claim our 80% ? I'm not sure and neither are our bosses.
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      Lots of confusion at my shop. Recent new joins have been sacked, staff they want to keep have been told their hours are reduced by 50% in order to keep their jobs. Will the government pay that 50% of lost hours so the company pays half/ Gov pays half or will the Gov pay 80% of current wages even if staff hours have been cut by 50 % ? Obviously it's daft going to work and being in close proximity to fellow staff if most of you are not actually needed..... Do we turn up, risk exposure to Covid-19 in order to claim our 80% ? I'm not sure and neither are our bosses.
      Itís 80% of the gross pay the employer is actually paying, so hours and other complications donít come into it.

      Itís now up to all employers to do use their heads and at the same time do the honourable thing, at potentially zero cost to them.

      If they cut hours, they can still pay the 80% (or 100% if they can afford it) of the original hours gross pay for that employee. Someone can be completely or partly at home not working, on 80% of their original pre-crisis pay, and it wonít cost the employer a penny.
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      It’s 80% of the gross pay the employer is actually paying, so hours and other complications don’t come into it.

      It’s now up to all employers to do use their heads and at the same time do the honourable thing, at potentially zero cost to them.

      If they cut hours, they can still pay the 80% (or 100% if they can afford it) of the original hours gross pay for that employee. Someone can be completely or partly at home not working, on 80% of their original pre-crisis pay, and it won’t cost the employer a penny.
      If so this is really good news, i'd take 80%, i'd never get 100% from my company.
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      I am confused as to the terms of the 80% payment from an employers perspective. is it that I pay staff a minimum of 80%of their salary and they stay home or can I ask them to work? My business has been effectively closed down by the government so absolutely no sales until restrictions lifted but there are improvements we can make to the building that my staff could help with. Is that allowed under the terms of the scheme?
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      I am confused as to the terms of the 80% payment from an employers perspective. is it that I pay staff a minimum of 80%of their salary and they stay home or can I ask them to work? My business has been effectively closed down by the government so absolutely no sales until restrictions lifted but there are improvements we can make to the building that my staff could help with. Is that allowed under the terms of the scheme?
      They have to be not working, effectively furloughed. How they will ever track that I have no idea.

      Question Iím still not clear on is if employers are expected to top up the portion of wages the government arenít covering.
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      I am confused as to the terms of the 80% payment from an employers perspective. is it that I pay staff a minimum of 80%of their salary and they stay home or can I ask them to work? My business has been effectively closed down by the government so absolutely no sales until restrictions lifted but there are improvements we can make to the building that my staff could help with. Is that allowed under the terms of the scheme?
      My understanding (it was only announced yesterday) is that through PAYE the government will pay employers 80% of employees usual pay, subject to a max of £2,500 per month (i.e. someone on up to £36,000 a year gross when on 100% pay) .... for staff on leave and not working, with effect from 1st March 2020.

      The grants in hard cash grants will reach employers “within weeks”.

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