[Misc] Being post corona

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

I can’t stop thinking about how important this could be. Once people are “post-virus”, as far as we are aware it looks very unlikely they can catch the virus again, if their body’s immune system has done its job.

If that is the case, these people could potentially be invaluable to our community - helping older/vulnerable people who will be self isolating to a very large extent. How can this be harnessed? Could a test ever be invented to see if someone was “post corona”?

I appreciate this could be really tricky, given the government’s understandable plan to focus on testing the likely more at risk/critical. I just can’t shake the idea there might be some miracle solution to this that would massively help both those in need, and stem the overall flow of infection.

RandyWanger · Mar 13, 2020

That socialist commie nonsense will not work around these parts. Every man/woman for themselves.

beorhthelm · Mar 13, 2020

Mellotron said:
...Could a test ever be invented to see if someone was “post corona”?

yes, you can test for antibodies of virus.

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

beorhthelm said:
yes, you can test for antibodies of virus.

Well that’s good news. The issue will be whether there will be the resources to do so, won’t it?

If I get to a point of post corona I would absolutely want to do everything I can to help those around me at risk.

herecomesaregular · Mar 13, 2020

Mellotron said:
Well that’s good news. The issue will be whether there will be the resources to do so, won’t it?

If I get to a point of post corona I would absolutely want to do everything I can to help those around me at risk.

I'm assuming if you've had it you can't catch it again (your personal safety is fine) but how much less dangerous are you to others, as a carrier? (from touching objects, people coughing on you who have it etc)

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

herecomesaregular said:
I'm assuming if you've had it you can't catch it again (your personal safety is fine) but how much less dangerous are you to others, as a carrier? (from touching objects, people coughing on you who have it etc)

Again I may well be wrong, but I was assuming - given the recommended 7 day isolation - that post that period it would very unlikely you would pass it on to others, if it is no longer in your system?

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

This is also potentially helpful news in a similar vein (pun intended);

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/05/how-blood-plasma-from-recovered-patients-could-help-treat-coronavirus/

bhafc99 · Mar 13, 2020

The Post Coronas. Think I’ve got their first album somewhere. It’s not bad.

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The Optimist · Mar 13, 2020

herecomesaregular said:
I'm assuming if you've had it you can't catch it again (your personal safety is fine) but how much less dangerous are you to others, as a carrier? (from touching objects, people coughing on you who have it etc)

I think once fully recovered you are not contagious. Similar to a cold, once recovered you can’t pass it on.

Bozza · Mar 13, 2020

Mellotron said:
Well that’s good news. The issue will be whether there will be the resources to do so, won’t it?

If I get to a point of post corona I would absolutely want to do everything I can to help those around me at risk.

It's common protocol to do this.

I've read, although I can't be bothered to try and find the source now, that the Chinese have already started this. One of the key findings that will come out of their results is just how many people had it that either didn't know, or had symptoms so mild that they did not go to hospital and weren't tested.

Everyone believes there are far more people out there that have it than we know about, the obvious hope is the level of magnitude is massive, ie the 80% - fine / 20% - need hospital treatment ratio becomes 90/10 or 95/5 or even better. That would also mean the fatality rate is a lot better than currently stated too. Fingers crossed....

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

Bozza said:
It's common protocol to do this.

I've read, although I can't be bothered to try and find the source now, that the Chinese have already started this. One of the key findings that will come out of their results is just how many people had it that either didn't know, or had symptoms so mild that they did not go to hospital and weren't tested.

Everyone believes there are far more people out there that have it than we know about, the obvious hope is the level of magnitude is massive, ie the 80% - fine / 20% - need hospital treatment ratio becomes 90/10 or 95/5 or even better. That would also mean the fatality rate is a lot better than currently stated too. Fingers crossed....

Double-edged sword, isn’t it? As it means that yes, the fatality rate will be a lot lower, but the flip side is the spread and number infected will be much larger.

I think the frustration and anxiety will come in a few days/weeks/months with people being unsure if they have had it or not. Some surety there would massively help the fight, the economy etc.

Bozza · Mar 13, 2020

Mellotron said:
Double-edged sword, isn’t it? As it means that yes, the fatality rate will be a lot lower, but the flip side is the spread and number infected will be much larger.

I'm not sure how that's a double-edged sword. Loads of people having had it and not known can only be a good thing as it means the disease isn't quite as serious as feared, and there is herd immunity being developed (on the assumption that you can't catch it twice in short order).

Mellotron said:
I think the frustration and anxiety will come in a few days/weeks/months with people being unsure if they have had it or not. Some surety there would massively help the fight, the economy etc.

Very much so. Also from a family perspective. If you are social distancing from vulnerable elderly family, you may never know if you've had it and are "safe", even if you've had some mild symptoms and recovered. At any time you could be in the early incubation period, which also seems to be when you are most infectious.

The Merry Prankster · Mar 13, 2020

I read yesterday that the reinfection rate in China is 14%, so it ain't necessarily so.

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 13, 2020

RandyWanger said:
That socialist commie nonsense will not work around these parts. Every man/woman for themselves.

........ But you know it makes sense!

Bozza · Mar 13, 2020

The Merry Prankster said:
I read yesterday that the reinfection rate in China is 14%, so it ain't necessarily so.

Just found this piece - a bit old now given how quickly this is moving, but covers the 14% and various reasons as to why...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-questions-in-containment-fight-idUSKCN20M124

LamieRobertson · Mar 13, 2020

Bozza said:
Just found this piece - a bit old now given how quickly this is moving, but covers the 14% and various reasons as to why...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-questions-in-containment-fight-idUSKCN20M124

Interesting article

hans kraay fan club · Mar 13, 2020

herecomesaregular said:
I'm assuming if you've had it you can't catch it again (your personal safety is fine) but how much less dangerous are you to others, as a carrier? (from touching objects, people coughing on you who have it etc)

Mellotron said:
Again I may well be wrong, but I was assuming - given the recommended 7 day isolation - that post that period it would very unlikely you would pass it on to others, if it is no longer in your system?

'In your system, no', but that wasn't his point.

He meant that you'd still need to be careful not to physically transfer the virus to someone (touching an infected door handle on the way in, etc)

herecomesaregular · Mar 13, 2020

hans kraay fan club said:
'In your system, no', but that wasn't his point.

He meant that you'd still need to be careful not to physically transfer the virus to someone (touching an infected door handle on the way in, etc)

Yes - surely you'd still be a risk to others as a carrier of the virus on your body?

A1X · Mar 13, 2020

I can't stop reading this thread title to the tune of "My Sharona"

Mellotron · Mar 13, 2020

Bozza said:
I'm not sure how that's a double-edged sword. Loads of people having had it and not known can only be a good thing as it means the disease isn't quite as serious as feared, and there is herd immunity being developed (on the assumption that you can't catch it twice in short order).

Very much so. Also from a family perspective. If you are social distancing from vulnerable elderly family, you may never know if you've had it and are "safe", even if you've had some mild symptoms and recovered. At any time you could be in the early incubation period, which also seems to be when you are most infectious.

The double edged sword in referring to is that the wider it spreads, the more elderly and at risk that will die, rather than it spreading less due to higher visibility of the virus. Does that make sense?

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