[Football] Leeds goalkeeper banned

TomandJerry · Mar 3, 2020

An independent Football Association regulatory commission suspended Kiko Casilla for eight games after being satisfied the Leeds goalkeeper called Charlton’s loanee striker Jonathan Leko “a ****ing ******” during a game at the Valley in September last year.

Casilla maintains his innocence and has been supported by Leeds, who have questioned the FA’s decision to decide the case on the balance of probabilities, but, in a 62-page document explaining the “written reasons” for its decision, the FA insists the required burden of proof was exceeded."

Should have been a life time ban.

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Swansman · Mar 3, 2020

TomandJerry said:
Should have been a life time ban.

Probably would have been longer than 8 games if they had definite proof

swindonseagull · Mar 3, 2020

Welcome to last weeks news.

LamieRobertson · Mar 3, 2020

swindonseagull said:
Welcome to last weeks news.

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blue-shifted · Mar 3, 2020

Swansman said:
Probably would have been longer than 8 games if they had definite proof

I think this is correct and it's a deeply uncomfortable outcome.

Either he did say this thing and then talk of a lifetime ban is proportionate or he didn't and he's had his name unfairly sullied forever.

This outcome very much smacks of saying, we don't know, so lets find a middle ground punishment just in case he did.

I don't remember did the Jay Rodriguez case have the same burden of proof? Surely there's stronger evidence in that case than this one.

Surf's Up · Mar 3, 2020

Winston Churchill's dead too.

Wozza · Mar 3, 2020

I think NSC's bad word filter needs updating....

blue-shifted · Mar 3, 2020

Can we not have the full word on the thread title either?

If there's a moderator who, like me, doesn't want to see such a terrible word pop up and could put some stars up instead, i'd be very grateful

jamie (not that one) · Mar 3, 2020

I wonder what kind of reception his black teammates gave him in training?

TomandJerry · Mar 3, 2020

81jamie said:
I wonder what kind of reception his black teammates gave him in training?

Exactly what I was thinking

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Eeyore · Mar 3, 2020

blue-shifted said:
Can we not have the full word on the thread title either?

If there's a moderator who, like me, doesn't want to see such a terrible word pop up and could put some stars up instead, i'd be very grateful

Context and Intent ? It's unwise but not outrageous.

Eeyore · Mar 3, 2020

TomandJerry said:
An independent Football Association regulatory commission suspended Kiko Casilla for eight games after being satisfied the Leeds goalkeeper called Charlton’s loanee striker Jonathan Leko “a ****ing ******” during a game at the Valley in September last year.

Casilla maintains his innocence and has been supported by Leeds, who have questioned the FA’s decision to decide the case on the balance of probabilities, but, in a 62-page document explaining the “written reasons” for its decision, the FA insists the required burden of proof was exceeded."

Should have been a life time ban.

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Not if it hasn't been proven beyond doubt.

TomandJerry · Mar 3, 2020

Brighton Lines said:
Not if it hasn't been proven beyond doubt.

"the FA insists the required burden of proof was exceeded."

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Starry · Mar 3, 2020

i have read the 62 page pdf (littered with typos and errors but that is by the by)

I still don't see any evidence above "he said, she said" but....everything from kiko - if that is his best defence against a truly abhorrent allegation then i don't want to see his worst. if we accept the balance of probability then his actions are gross misconduct and in just about every form of employment the consequence of that is immediate termination of your contract. suspect leeds will sit until time for appeal has expired and if kiko chooses not to lodge an appeal that is a tacit acceptance of the charge. we'll never know what was truly said because we can't rewind time and mic up these players. if it weren't so serious of an accusation the report would be comedy - especially the bit about the Leeds team bus.

he is not a good keeper anyway. get rid, move on.

HastingsSeagull · Mar 3, 2020

Lifetime ban if provern sounds a lot but I'd certainly terminate his contract with Leeds and ban him for the rest of this season plus one more full season from world football. Make him do some re-education course if he wants to come back in 18 months too.

8 games? Utterly crazy :angry:

Assuming they're sure he did it.

Justice · Mar 4, 2020

Leeds fans rolling out the Swarez Poyet argument it’s what they do it’s not offensive in their country bollocks.

jamie (not that one) · Mar 4, 2020

Not defending him at all but I remember teaching in high schools in Spain about 12 years ago and teenage lads who couldn't speak English were dropping N bombs all over the place. Of course I challenged them on it and they genuinely had no idea of the gravity of the word and were simply repeating what they often heard in music.

He's been in the UK for over a year now and the first words you normally learn are the bad ones, so I would be very surprised if he didn't know. Could've been they misheard him, as claimed on the team bus, but come on....

Springal · Mar 4, 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51724664

He got to this age in life - an this well traveled that he did not know calling a black person a ' F'ing N...' was offensive? Righto.

Why only an 8 game ban? Is that what a supporter would get?

Bakero · Mar 4, 2020

81jamie said:
Not defending him at all but I remember teaching in high schools in Spain about 12 years ago and teenage lads who couldn't speak English were dropping N bombs all over the place. Of course I challenged them on it and they genuinely had no idea of the gravity of the word and were simply repeating what they often heard in music.

He's been in the UK for over a year now and the first words you normally learn are the bad ones, so I would be very surprised if he didn't know. Could've been they misheard him, as claimed on the team bus, but come on....

I concur. It's a common issue in Spain, and not just amongst teenagers. They're often perplexed when you first explain why it's utterly unacceptable, having heard it used routinely in songs and films. Of course afterwards most are embarrassed and apologetic but even then they don't understand the full weight of the word. It's not just the ones who can't speak English either.

Like Jamie, I'm not seeking to justify it in any way, just adding some context.

Cowfold Seagull · Mar 4, 2020

I \expect Leeds will be better off without him actually. I don't rate him personally.

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