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    Can I just say this time last season with D&D in the team, and us set up more defensively we'd conceded 2 more goals after 24 games.

    We're playing a more open, attacking game, which is what everyone wanted AND we have actually conceded less. Yeah, we went away to Bournemouth and it seems it's Webster's fault, but at around this time 12 months ago we went to Fulham and conceded 4 after having a 2 goal lead!

    I won't mind seeing Duffy in the side, but I'm not 100% certain the manager is getting this wrong. Duffy has his fair share of clangers in him.

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      No. I just think it might help you to learn to stop the scapegoating you all seem to be uniting in right now. How else are you lot going to learn? Barnes clearly hasn't taught you much has he?

      Didn't Webster receive constant criticism from some of our fans last night? Coincidence that it's now going on NSC with you all thumbing up each others criticism of him even when it's bullshit like "Barnes and wood were never criticised by our fans how is that related to Webster?" ?
      I personally believe Webster will prove to be a better player than Duffy in the future, especially under Potterball.

      However we are in a fight and Duffy would be my choice in that fight not Webster, especially as Webster is making a lot of errors. His downing tools when he made that mistake for the Bournemouth third goal and not trying to recover was not a good sign.
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      Can I just say this time last season with D&D in the team, and us set up more defensively we'd conceded 2 more goals after 24 games.

      We're playing a more open, attacking game, which is what everyone wanted AND we have actually conceded less. Yeah, we went away to Bournemouth and it seems it's Webster's fault, but at around this time 12 months ago we went to Fulham and conceded 4 after having a 2 goal lead!

      I won't mind seeing Duffy in the side, but I'm not 100% certain the manager is getting this wrong. Duffy has his fair share of clangers in him.
      Last season Dunk and Duffy were expected, along with the rest of the team, to sit back and absorb wave after wave of pressure. This season the team dominates the ball which gives the opposition far less opportunities, yet we’ve only conceded 2 less. I’m not sure that’s such a clever stat.
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      Last season Dunk and Duffy were expected, along with the rest of the team, to sit back and absorb wave after wave of pressure. This season the team dominates the ball which gives the opposition far less opportunities, yet we’ve only conceded 2 less. I’m not sure that’s such a clever stat.
      Waves of pressure that is not resulting in goals which is leaving us open to counter attacks and teams basically setting up to absorb pressure then pounce on our mistakes.

      If we keep losing the ball while applying pressure ahead of the ball, then we are going to be exposed - the Villa equaliser a case in point.

      We're playing with less cover, but if you don't score and give the ball away cheaply, then your defense is going to be exposed time and time again.
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      Can I just say this time last season with D&D in the team, and us set up more defensively we'd conceded 2 more goals after 24 games.

      We're playing a more open, attacking game, which is what everyone wanted AND we have actually conceded less. Yeah, we went away to Bournemouth and it seems it's Webster's fault, but at around this time 12 months ago we went to Fulham and conceded 4 after having a 2 goal lead!

      I won't mind seeing Duffy in the side, but I'm not 100% certain the manager is getting this wrong. Duffy has his fair share of clangers in him.
      I think it's more to do with the nature of the goals that have been conceded.

      So many have, to us amateurs, looked like goals that could have been stopped by a meathead charging at the ball.

      Irrespective of @Stephen Seagull's opinion I firmly believe we have one of the world's best at that.
      For me that then moves the question onto:-

      Does Webster currently provide enough positives from the rest of his game to offset that loss?
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      I think it's more to do with the nature of the goals that have been conceded.

      So many have, to us amateurs, looked like goals that could have been stopped by a meathead charging at the ball.

      Irrespective of @Stephen Seagull's opinion I firmly believe we have one of the world's best at that.
      For me that then moves the question onto:-

      Does Webster currently provide enough positives from the rest of his game to offset that loss?
      I would say I dont know.

      I have to assume/believe Potter and his staff have very good reasons/stats etc. for why Webster is ahead of Duffy.

      If Duffy lines up against West Ham, good for him for getting his chance back, but I don't see that move as a sudden plug for why we're conceding. The issue with Duffy is that he has to read the game more quickly because there is more space between our midfield and defense. The cover he enjoyed last season isn't going to be there as much, so it needs a lot more craft, guile and reading of the game.

      While Webster has made errors, the moments he steps out and intercepts opposition passes or cuts off attacks looks simple enough, but actually is the work of a defender who is reading the game and reacting quickly.
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      Waves of pressure that is not resulting in goals which is leaving us open to counter attacks and teams basically setting up to absorb pressure then pounce on our mistakes.

      If we keep losing the ball while applying pressure ahead of the ball, then we are going to be exposed - the Villa equaliser a case in point.

      We're playing with less cover, but if you don't score and give the ball away cheaply, then your defense is going to be exposed time and time again.
      So what’s going to give? Either we need better forwards to make our chances count, better midfielders to stop the defence being exposed, or we need Van Dijk and Koulibally. Failing that we need a new system.
      The thing that confuses me is the impossibly narrow formation that we play, how our full backs don’t actually get up the pitch that much, play with 4 central midfielders yet get overrun in the middle. Why is there no protection, why do the defenders constantly get caught out?
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      I would say I dont know.

      I have to assume/believe Potter and his staff have very good reasons/stats etc. for why Webster is ahead of Duffy.

      If Duffy lines up against West Ham, good for him for getting his chance back, but I don't see that move as a sudden plug for why we're conceding. The issue with Duffy is that he has to read the game more quickly because there is more space between our midfield and defense. The cover he enjoyed last season isn't going to be there as much, so it needs a lot more craft, guile and reading of the game.

      While Webster has made errors, the moments he steps out and intercepts opposition passes or cuts off attacks looks simple enough, but actually is the work of a defender who is reading the game and reacting quickly.
      Yep it's a tricky one.

      Montoya has more freedom forward with Webster behind him. (Even I've noticed that)
      Alzate doesn't even get to the halfway line rather negating the need for Webster's attributes.

      Duffy can't do 90% of what Webster can, but oh boy missing that other 10% is pretty vital.
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      So what’s going to give? Either we need better forwards to make our chances count, better midfielders to stop the defence being exposed, or we need Van Dijk and Koulibally. Failing that we need a new system.
      Then thing that confuses me is the impossibly narrow formation that we play, how our full backs don’t actually get upon the pitch that much, play with 4 central midfielders yet get overrun in the middle. Why is there no protection, why do the defenders constantly get caught out?
      I don't profess to have the answers. I just know blaming Webster and believing Duffy is a solution is not actually solving a more complex set of issues through the side.

      It's more about belief than it is personnel. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Duffy starting next game, but neither do I have an issue with Webster retaining his place as I don't think that is the principle problem.

      The main thing is belief, and its fragile and not easily solved as Hughton found last season and it's spell has befuddled us once again. Hughton went the route of just getting more resolute to get us over the line. I'm not sure Potter will go that route, he'll be hoping we play our way out, and we'll get a break somewhere and the belief will come flooding back.
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      I don't profess to have the answers. I just know blaming Webster and believing Duffy is a solution is not actually solving a more complex set of issues through the side.

      It's more about belief than it is personnel. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with Duffy starting next game, but neither do I have an issue with Webster retaining his place as I don't think that is the principle problem.

      The main thing is belief, and its fragile and not easily solved as Hughton found last season and it's spell has befuddled us once again. Hughton went the route of just getting more resolute to get us over the line. I'm not sure Potter will go that route, he'll be hoping we play our way out, and we'll get a break somewhere and the belief will come flooding back.
      Good post.
      I don’t think for one minute that Duffy is the fix-all solution, but Webster has looked very shaky. Earlier in the season Potter took Maupay out of the team to refocus, maybe Webster needs the same care.
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