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BeHereNow · Jan 16, 2021

darkwolf666 said:
What are you on about?

As far as can tell, Professor Phillip Thomas (of Bristol University) did an impact assessment of lockdown and it said that it would cause 90% more deaths in the long run than if we didn’t have a lockdown. Maybe Maajid Nawaz has got that wrong?
https://fb.watch/321J-cM51m/

BeHereNow · Jan 16, 2021

dsr-burnley said:
Even your picture of Greta Thunberg is wearing her nagging face.

Let's face it, we have different ambitions. You want to ensure that no-one ever dies of coronavirus, and I want to live life as I believe it is intended to be lived. The two are not compatible. I have maintained good discipline so far but I do not intend to maintain "good discipline" if and when the population has been vaccinated and the virus offers no more threat than tuberculosis or flu. Your idea of wiping out the virus by isolation will not work.

I wonder why he/she didn’t worry about coronavirus before last year considering it’s 13% of all flu viruses every year.

Every time I see the news say ‘So and so has tested positive for coronavirus’ it’s like...yeah, that happens every year.

Kinky Gerbil · Jan 16, 2021

dsr-burnley said:
Even your picture of Greta Thunberg is wearing her nagging face.

Let's face it, we have different ambitions. You want to ensure that no-one ever dies of coronavirus, and I want to live life as I believe it is intended to be lived. The two are not compatible. I have maintained good discipline so far but I do not intend to maintain "good discipline" if and when the population has been vaccinated and the virus offers no more threat than tuberculosis or flu. Your idea of wiping out the virus by isolation will not work.

The problem i see moving forward is that all the time they find new strains they will be hovering above the lockdown switch.

The public see this as a way to deal with things now.

Billy the Fish · Jan 16, 2021

For anyone who thinks it's a good idea to restrict people's freedom to extreme levels.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ls-highest-since-first-lockdown-figures-show/

Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) also revealed that happiness and life satisfaction fell as Britain entered its third national lockdown in January.

Some 42 per cent of adults reported high levels of anxiety, the highest proportion since April 3 to 13, when 46 per cent reported this.

People surveyed between January 7 and 10 also said they were less happy, less satisfied with their lives overall and were less likely to feel things they are doing are worthwhile.

Mental health must be a ticking timebomb. As soon as the vulnerable and over 60s are vaccinated we need to open everything back up.

beorhthelm · Jan 16, 2021

BeHereNow said:
I wonder why he/she didn’t worry about coronavirus before last year considering it’s 13% of all flu viruses every year.

Every time I see the news say ‘So and so has tested positive for coronavirus’ it’s like...yeah, that happens every year.

0% of flu is from coronavirus, they are 100% influenza virus. about 15% of colds are from coronaviruses.

dazzer6666 · Jan 16, 2021

crodonilson said:
With due respect you're not bring nagged at by me, I'm just demonstrating an opinion on the forum of the club I support. Perhaps you should take some time off this board if you don't like my opinion.

The end game is relatively close. If we can maintain good discipline with the lockdown and restrictions for the next 6-9 months we could be living a near normal going into 2022 (we may never go back to 2019 normal). Let's not blow it now.

Your posts do come across as a bit nagging, sometimes almost verging on paranoia, to me to be honest, just relentlessly calling for a harsher lockdown and shooting down anything and anyone who puts forward a contrary view. It’s a forum though, so you’re perfectly entitled to carry on, same as anyone else.

RossyG · Jan 16, 2021

You say you’re entitled to your opinion, Crodo, but you’re not giving your opinion. You’re just parroting media slogans.

And all the while using the image of another celebrity nagger. It gets very tiresome.

The Wizard · Jan 16, 2021

Crodo used to be a funny meme account with his over exuberance and excitable posts, now it’s just dull, looks like an account ran by Sky News or the Daily Mail.

I feel sympathy because it’s the pure fear and lack of understanding that has done this to people.

Sussexscots · Jan 16, 2021

Kinky Gerbils said:
The problem i see moving forward is that all the time they find new strains they will be hovering above the lockdown switch.

The public see this as a way to deal with things now.

This is a concern. Each additional lockdown further legitimises it as an acceptable tool of public policy. We are governed by diktat, Parliament is emasculated.

Vaccines have offered a way out of this current shitshow, thank goodness. Good job because it's clear there's no other strategy. But suppose these were not available for another two years. Could we keep, would people even accept, these restrictions for that long? Would it even be affordable?

And next time 'Killer Flu' approaches the UK, we know the headlines are inevitable, the fear porn addicted media will ramp up the narrative for a lockdown. The future is not bright. It's masked and avoids others.

dazzer6666 · Jan 16, 2021

Jabs now over 4m (3.6m first jabs, of which there were 324k yesterday, further increase on previous day)
Big drop in reported infections yesterday (from around 50k the last few days down to 41k)
Weekly infections (positive tests) down 77k or 18%
R rate down to 1.2-1.3 (was 1.4-1.6 last week)

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

crodonilson · Jan 16, 2021

Some good news with cases plateauing. Hospitalisations expected to peak in 10 days subject to lockdown continuing we can begin to see a very slow decrease. Hopefully by Spring we can begin to emerge into a tougher tiered system over the summer.

darkwolf666 · Jan 17, 2021

BeHereNow said:
As far as can tell, Professor Phillip Thomas (of Bristol University) did an impact assessment of lockdown and it said that it would cause 90% more deaths in the long run than if we didn’t have a lockdown. Maybe Maajid Nawaz has got that wrong?
https://fb.watch/321J-cM51m/

No, you have got it wrong, Professor Thomas indicated that during times of hardship, like the austerity measures caused by the banking collapse and the recession and further likely cuts caused by Covid, that the average life expectancy is reduced.

His claim is that on average this could cause a 2 month reduction in life expectancy across the country, which when multiplied across the population equates to 500,000 “lives lost”.

He did NOT say 500,000 people will die because of lockdown!

crodonilson · Jan 17, 2021

Dom Raab saying this morning that the government will consider lifting lockdown by March and it will be a slow phased return to a toughened up tier system. Personally I have my doubts about the tier system, people's discipline seems to go when they know there are other people with looser restrictions. I expect by April we may be able to reopen non essential shops and possibly allow rule of 6 gatherings outdoors.

crodonilson · Jan 17, 2021

The Wizard said:
Crodo used to be a funny meme account with his over exuberance and excitable posts, now it’s just dull, looks like an account ran by Sky News or the Daily Mail.

I feel sympathy because it’s the pure fear and lack of understanding that has done this to people.

As a morbidly obese middle aged man with both parents still alive I have plenty to fear about this horrendous virus. I think lots need to take it more seriously and understand the reduction in people's civil liberties is temporary and done to protect the NHS and the population as a whole.

Kinky Gerbil · Jan 17, 2021

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.s...k-hopes-able-consider-lockdown-091248473.html

Motogull · Jan 17, 2021

I'm trying to work out whether this was deliberate or not:

If so, that's brilliant.

dazzer6666 · Jan 17, 2021

crodonilson said:
Dom Raab saying this morning that the government will consider lifting lockdown by March and it will be a slow phased return to a toughened up tier system. Personally I have my doubts about the tier system, people's discipline seems to go when they know there are other people with looser restrictions. I expect by April we may be able to reopen non essential shops and possibly allow rule of 6 gatherings outdoors.

Think he’s spot on. By end of March we’ll have had c6 weeks to capture the benefits of all of the most vulnerable having been vaccinated (on track for mid Feb) and the lag after that to allow the NHS to be back under control (suspect there will continue to be regional variations for a time, hence the tier system will continue).

With the most vulnerable protected and the hospital pressure from Covid off (as it will be with the most vulnerable vaccinated) it’s essential they start to act quickly in lessening restrictions.

Everyone just needs to behave until then and not **** it up, then we can all start to see the benefits from early April.

Pint of Ale and a Burger · Jan 17, 2021

Lockdown restrictions ending will be decided by march!!!
I know sollys playing well but wow ,what a responsibility for the young lad.
Good to see the government recognising the talent we have available at the Albion.

Kinky Gerbil · Jan 17, 2021

dazzer6666 said:
Think he’s spot on. By end of March we’ll have had c6 weeks to capture the benefits of all of the most vulnerable having been vaccinated (on track for mid Feb) and the lag after that to allow the NHS to be back under control (suspect there will continue to be regional variations for a time, hence the tier system will continue).

With the most vulnerable protected and the hospital pressure from Covid off (as it will be with the most vulnerable vaccinated) it’s essential they start to act quickly in lessening restrictions.

Everyone just needs to behave until then and not **** it up, then we can all start to see the benefits from early April.

Think you are Sadly in for a shock

Been suggested that they will use testing as a way to lower tiers, given that you can potentially still carry the virus after vaccination how do you see tiers being lowered at any real speed?

crodonilson · Jan 17, 2021

Kinky Gerbils said:
Think you are Sadly in for a shock

Been suggested that they will use testing as a way to lower tiers, given that you can potentially still carry the virus after vaccination how do you see tiers being lowered at any real speed?

It will be a very gradual receding of the tiers , Raab said that this morning,very much dependent on the success of the vaccination programme reducing pressure on the NHS. The tier system will likely be toughened up too from the way it was in December. Schools to open first, and then a break to see the effects of that, and then nkn essential retail, followed by limited outdoor contact within the rule of six and then possibly hospitality with distancing and food with drinking restrictions.

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