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nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
The "irony curtain"....

Mexico volunteers to pay for accelerated wall completion to prevent US Citizens from entering Mexico.
 








beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
35,288






moggy

moggy

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Oct 15, 2003
5,050
southwick
Whatever happened to the game changing antibody tests which were hailed as being ready with the Roche one 100% accurate?
All gone quiet on that front
 




Yoda

Yoda

English & European
Mar 1, 2004
10,056
Worthing, West Sussex, United Kingdom
moggy said:
Whatever happened to the game changing antibody tests which were hailed as being ready with the Roche one 100% accurate?
All gone quiet on that front
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Green Cross Code Man said:
This is not good if true: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-study-suggests?__twitter_impression=true
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This is exactly why I hate all this talk about antibodies by people that don't really know what they are talking about/looking for.

Firstly. The two types of anti-body they test on are only in your plasma for up to 24 and 50 days anyway so would be completely pointless unless you've recently had it.

Secondly. After that your T Lymphocytes remember the virus and and reproduce the anti bodies if you happen to contract the viral again. So to say immunity will be lost is complete guess work. Studies seem to suggest it's taken at least 5-10 years (possibly more) for this virus to mutate enough to infect humans. Unless that was to suddenly speed up, saying something like in the Guardian report is scare mongering.
 




Green Cross Code Man

Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
19,704
Eastbourne
Yoda said:
This is exactly why I hate all this talk about antibodies by people that don't really know what they are talking about/looking for.

Firstly. The two types of anti-body they test on are only in your plasma for up to 24 and 50 days anyway so would be completely pointless unless you've recently had it.

Secondly. After that your T Lymphocytes remember the virus and and reproduce the anti bodies if you happen to contract the viral again. So to say immunity will be lost is complete guess work. Studies seem to suggest it's taken at least 5-10 years (possibly more) for this virus to mutate enough to infect humans. Unless that was to suddenly speed up, saying something like in the Guardian report is scare mongering.
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Thanks for the clarification. Further reading helped me conclude much the same. To be fair, the guardian piece is not on its own, most the papers and BBC are carrying the same story with a similar stance.
 


Yoda

Yoda

English & European
Mar 1, 2004
10,056
Worthing, West Sussex, United Kingdom
Me personally, I would like to see them do a proper study on truly Asymptomatic cases following that report from Korea about a month ago.

They reported from about 250 asymptomatic carriers, the tested about 750 of their closest contacts and not one had contracted the virus.
 






beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
44,771
[tweet]1283758918427185154[/tweet]

Vallance getting quite serious about the early government response and the advice given.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,138
Just watching the Downing Street live briefing. Once again that mantra 'R number remains between 0.7 - 0.9' gets trotted out. Does anybody actually believe that BS that has remained strong and stable and hasn't budged since just about Day One. Do they even bother measuring it? Or do they just trot it out in meaningless fashion same as the Eat 5 A Day dietary advice which has since been admitted to be meaningless. What gives?
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,288
CHAPPERS said:
[tweet]1283758918427185154[/tweet]

Vallance getting quite serious about the early government response and the advice given.
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and yet testing still controled through NHS/PHE approved sites only. :shrug:
 




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atomised

Well-known member
Mar 21, 2013
5,110
Tom Hark said:
Just watching the Downing Street live briefing. Once again that mantra 'R number remains between 0.7 - 0.9' gets trotted out. Does anybody actually believe that BS that has remained strong and stable and hasn't budged since just about Day One. Do they even bother measuring it? Or do they just trot it out in meaningless fashion same as the Eat 5 A Day dietary advice which has since been admitted to be meaningless. What gives?
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I wondered exactly the same it seems to be a line that's trotted out with little or nothing to back it up. Especially as we also hear that the r number is less useful as numbers drop
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,288
Yoda said:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...nto-public-health-england-death-data-12030392

So, turns out things 'may' (and I stress MAY) not have been as bad as first feared
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sorry to cross the threads, didnt want this in the good new thread.

I hope public inquiry looks properly at the failed handling from PHE, NHS and other health service management. this is basic analysis failure. PHE seems an utter waste of space, thousands of people spending billions on what exactly?
 


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