BensGrandad
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As I saw it Mooy did his thing with a certain amount of freedom and Davy Propper slotted into the Dale Stephens role. I am not convinced of the need for rotation for 3 games in 7 days.
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[Albion] The undropable Dale Stephens
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I think it was mainly rotation but Stephens had a very poor game against Sheffield United and Chelsea were similarly physical and cynical. Potter will play horses for courses and isn't afraid to mix it up during the game either. It's very much a squad game at Brighton now and probably only Dunk and Ryan are 100% starters unless injured, ill or suspended.
Albion in the north
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Will be interesting to see what happens if/when Molumby and Mac rock up to the AMEX next season.
I think Stephens had two advantages at the beginning of the season.
Firstly he is a senior and proven player, whatever the various grumblings on NSC. That might not hold the weight it did with Hughton but it still holds some weight.
Secondly as GP had said Stephens is an intelligent player. That meant he needed less time to adapt to Potterball™ than others, even if he is not the most naturally suited to the role.
I suspect this will be the last season DS plays the majority of games but I would not be surprised if he plays the majority of available minutes for the remainder of the season.
Firstly he is a senior and proven player, whatever the various grumblings on NSC. That might not hold the weight it did with Hughton but it still holds some weight.
Secondly as GP had said Stephens is an intelligent player. That meant he needed less time to adapt to Potterball™ than others, even if he is not the most naturally suited to the role.
I suspect this will be the last season DS plays the majority of games but I would not be surprised if he plays the majority of available minutes for the remainder of the season.
Marshy
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nice to see Dale get a rest to be honest. Will do him the world of good for the remainder of the season.
blue-shifted
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Bissouma has more improvement potential than Stephens clearly. Personally I think Alzate has more potential than both of them, certainly playing in a passing side like this.
Skaville
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Brilliant before his suspension. He was poor on his return against Sheffield United and bad again against Spurs. Bissouma rightfully kept his place against Chelsea but had a stinker so I expect to see Dale back very soon.
BensGrandad
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Both Bissouma and Alzate had a poor game against Chelsea and the only reason I think for taking Mooy off instead of one of those was possible tiredness but why, he now has 10 days off if GP wants,.
Marshy
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Alzate was very good 2nd half, 1st half he didn't seem to know what he was doing defensively. Pretty much everyone was poor first half, just some a bit more than others.
Dick Swiveller
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He really didn't - especially second half when moved into the centre of midfield which is what this thread is about.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
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Would have been a bit difficult for Bissouma to come off instead of Mooy seeing as we'd already subbed him off at half time for Connolly. Mooy was clearly tired and having less and less effect on the game, while Alzate was calm and composed on the ball in some very tight spaces in the second half (certainly belying his relative inexperience).
Mooy played the full 90 against Spurs and 84 mins against Bournemouth. The only other players to start all 3 games over the xmas period were Ryan and Burn.
Clearly Potter was trying to maximise usage of the squad in the best interest of the team and to walk away from those 3 games with 4 points when we had to face Spurs away, Bournemouth (who we hadn't beaten for 10 league games) and Chelsea (who we'd never even got a league point off before), shows Potter used the squad perfectly and made the correct tactical decisions when needed. We could have easily walked away with a win against Chelsea, who for all their dominance in the first half really didn't create much and let us back into the game in the second half.
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But that's some way from the "first name on the team sheet, the proles don't understand his value to the team" position of many on NSC. I wonder if our reliance on him is waning under Potter.
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If you really think that Mooy replaced Stephens in the same role, and that it is effectively a choice between those players, then clearly your opinion is entirely worthless
Harsh. Not sure I said they were related and I don;t think I expressed an opinion. I posited a question.
You're better, and generally nicer, than that comment. Don't become an NSC douche in 2020.
thedonkeycentrehalf
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Some people on here really don't understand how our team works. We generally play some variation on 4-2-2-2 or 3-4-3 where we have a holding midfielder (or two) in front of the defence.
Stephens is a holding midfielder who is generally comfortable on the ball and links the defence to the rest of the midfield and attack. When he is not playing, we always seem to find it harder to break the press being put on the defense from goal kicks etc. He also provides defensive cover as shown in the recent stats that he has more interceptions than anyone else in the team.
Last season especially, the problem was he had nobody to pass to ahead of him so often had to go back - this season, he now has options and his passing is now more forward than not.
Bissouma is a more attacking player but not really suited to the defensive role. Likewise, although listed as a midfielder, Mooy has been playing more in an attacking role so again is not really a Stephens replacement. Propper can play this role and has done so quite well but is better further forward.
At the moment, I still believe Stephens is key to how we play but he isn't getting any younger and we need to find a longer term replacement for that role. Molumby could well be the long term option from what I have seen of him in the u23s - Mac Allister seems to be more of a Gross replacement if he ever gets here.
Sadly, there are always a number of our fans who need someone to moan about and Stephens is one of the current scapegoats along with Montoya.
Stephens is a holding midfielder who is generally comfortable on the ball and links the defence to the rest of the midfield and attack. When he is not playing, we always seem to find it harder to break the press being put on the defense from goal kicks etc. He also provides defensive cover as shown in the recent stats that he has more interceptions than anyone else in the team.
Last season especially, the problem was he had nobody to pass to ahead of him so often had to go back - this season, he now has options and his passing is now more forward than not.
Bissouma is a more attacking player but not really suited to the defensive role. Likewise, although listed as a midfielder, Mooy has been playing more in an attacking role so again is not really a Stephens replacement. Propper can play this role and has done so quite well but is better further forward.
At the moment, I still believe Stephens is key to how we play but he isn't getting any younger and we need to find a longer term replacement for that role. Molumby could well be the long term option from what I have seen of him in the u23s - Mac Allister seems to be more of a Gross replacement if he ever gets here.
Sadly, there are always a number of our fans who need someone to moan about and Stephens is one of the current scapegoats along with Montoya.
Perkino
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Playing Bissouma & Propper allows us to utilise a 4-2-3-1 formation where the defence is protected and there are easily 4 attacking players around the box when we break forward. Many other sides operate a similar formation which is great at accommodating a lot of pace and quick movement of the ball
BensGrandad
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That was my point I would have taken either Alzate ot Bissouma or both off at half time but having already replaced Burn with Bernardo that may have been risky. I didnt think Alzate improved much in the 2nd half mind he would be better if he could use his left foot to shoot occasionally as he had 2 good chances that he fluffed by having to put them on his right foot. I think that he is getting the benefit of people seeing more about him because they want a youngster to come good, so their view is tainted and they boost up his performances.
Pavilionaire
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The fact that Bissouma got subbed at half-time tells me that Stephens is almost certainly still ahead of him in the pecking order.
It is also fair to say if we do get drawn into a relegation scrap then Stephens has a bit of the fight about him. He's still a very important member of this squad.
It is also fair to say if we do get drawn into a relegation scrap then Stephens has a bit of the fight about him. He's still a very important member of this squad.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
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- Oct 4, 2003
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Yes how wrong of us to focus on the positives of a young players performances in his first season as a Premier League player.