[Travel] Rail fares rise by 2.7%, hitting millions of commuters

Stat Brother · Jan 2, 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50966546

Wouldn't happen in Germany:-

"Meanwhile, in Germany, rail fares have been cut by 10%, to encourage more people to travel by train".

BBassic · Jan 2, 2020

I see calls for action have been made. Again.

I predict those calls will be about as useful as 'thoughts and prayers'.

Peteinblack · Jan 2, 2020

Gotta keep generating more money to pay dividends to the shareholders, and cross-subsidise train companies in other European countries, so that the Germans, the French and the Dutch can enjoy much cheaper train travel.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-taxpayers-subsidising-european-train-9556521 - from 2017, but the situation has not changed.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...jwKejRKnudXs-EpAJv9dJjcHe0gFwxK8kl1tOVqyKrguI

We really are mugs in this country - we talk about 'taking back control', but have allowed other countries to take-over many of our railway companies, and charge rip-off prices. And British governments (of all parties) have casually allowed this to happen.

Napper · Jan 2, 2020

Announced couple months back , people moaned and ...... did nothing and took it

Same as every year

Wouldnt happen in France

dazzer6666 · Jan 2, 2020

Stat Brother said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50966546

Wouldn't happen in Germany:-

"Meanwhile, in Germany, rail fares have been cut by 10%, to encourage more people to travel by train".

I don’t want more people travelling by train. I want peace, quiet and a double seat to myself when travelling to work [emoji23][emoji23]

blue-shifted · Jan 2, 2020

Peteinblack said:
Gotta keep generating more money to pay dividends to the shareholders, and cross-subsidise train companies in other European countries, so that the Germans, the French and the Dutch can enjoy much cheaper train travel.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-taxpayers-subsidising-european-train-9556521 - from 2017, but the situation has not changed.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...jwKejRKnudXs-EpAJv9dJjcHe0gFwxK8kl1tOVqyKrguI

We really are mugs in this country - we talk about 'taking back control', but have allowed other countries to take-over many of our railway companies, and charge rip-off prices. And British governments (of all parties) have casually allowed this to happen.

We just had the chance to vote for nationalisation. Maybe then we could have looked at rail system the same way as Germany do, as a societal and environmental need. We chose not to go down that route. The great majority of those in the south east have no right now to moan about this and future fare increases

Peteinblack · Jan 2, 2020

blue-shifted said:
We just had the chance to vote for nationalisation. Maybe then we could have looked at rail system the same way as Germany do, as a societal and environmental need. We chose not to go down that route. The great majority of those in the south east have no right now to moan about this and future fare increases

But apparently that would be Communist, and would turn us into North Korea or Venezuela

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 2, 2020

Peteinblack said:
But apparently that would be Communist, and would turn us into North Korea or Venezuela

Quite. I hope all the idiots in Stoke, Yorkshire, Blyth and Sheffield etc reflect on their vote when they’re paying extra for the public transport to the job centre.

blue-shifted · Jan 2, 2020

Herr Tubthumper said:
Quite. I hope all the idiots in Stoke, Yorkshire, Blyth and Sheffield etc reflect on their vote when they’re paying extra for the public transport to the job centre.

You're crediting them with an improbable level of self-awareness. They'll blame who they are told to blame. The EU, the BBC, the fella who had an affair with Princess Di. Anyone. It won't be themselves.

I'm absolutely not denying being a bitter, condescending remoaner by the way

beorhthelm · Jan 2, 2020

Peteinblack said:
Gotta keep generating more money to pay dividends to the shareholders,

and the staff, 3.2% pay rise.

Hampster Gull · Jan 2, 2020

At least the service is good

SollysLeftFoot · Jan 2, 2020

Peteinblack said:
Gotta keep generating more money to pay dividends to the shareholders, and cross-subsidise train companies in other European countries, so that the Germans, the French and the Dutch can enjoy much cheaper train travel.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-taxpayers-subsidising-european-train-9556521 - from 2017, but the situation has not changed.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...jwKejRKnudXs-EpAJv9dJjcHe0gFwxK8kl1tOVqyKrguI

We really are mugs in this country - we talk about 'taking back control', but have allowed other countries to take-over many of our railway companies, and charge rip-off prices. And British governments (of all parties) have casually allowed this to happen.

i was about to post these myself.

UK commuters subsidise EU commuters. That's the tragedy.

vegster · Jan 2, 2020

blue-shifted said:
We just had the chance to vote for nationalisation. Maybe then we could have looked at rail system the same way as Germany do, as a societal and environmental need. We chose not to go down that route. The great majority of those in the south east have no right now to moan about this and future fare increases

We will will always be screwed, the rail system will not change, vested interests are making too much money.

Lower West Stander · Jan 2, 2020

Napper said:
Announced couple months back , people moaned and ...... did nothing and took it

Same as every year

Wouldnt happen in France

What am I supposed to do?

Not pay it? Refuse to go to work in protest?

Brovion · Jan 2, 2020

dazzer6666 said:
I don’t want more people travelling by train. I want peace, quiet and a double seat to myself when travelling to work [emoji23][emoji23]

That was precisely my view when I was a train commuter! Jammed into carriages in conditions that would be illegal if we were cattle I used to think that the last thing we needed to do was to encourage more people to use public transport. "Piss off we're full! Use your car instead!" I'd think when even more people would attempt to ram themselves in.

And in my latter rail years, before I started driving/bussing to work, even if the train was (relatively) empty the journey could still be uncomfortable if you had the misfortune to be in a new carriage with ironing-board seats.

Pretty Plnk Fairy · Jan 2, 2020

time too take back control we invented the hovercraft so should use that instead of trains to keep the profits in the uk

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 2, 2020

Lower West Stander said:
What am I supposed to do?

Not pay it? Refuse to go to work in protest?

As [MENTION=365]Napper[/MENTION] said, it wouldn’t happen in France. So copy them! Any change which disadvantages the public they immediately bring the nation to a grinding, and usually successful, halt....as they are doing now.

The shoddy U.K. rail service would absolutely not be tolerated in France.

paul-brighton · Jan 2, 2020

Brovion said:
And in my latter rail years, before I started driving/bussing to work, even if the train was (relatively) empty the journey could still be uncomfortable if you had the misfortune to be in a new carriage with ironing-board seats.

Ah! The famous Thameslink seats (and the wind blowing all the way down a 12 coach train. I loved these when they first started running them from Lancing to Croydon. 2 weeks of those seats and I will only travel on a Southern train now.

Deleted member 22389 · Jan 2, 2020

France, Italy, Germany, Spain has lots of space to build new high speed lines. We have to make do with existing lines which costs hundreds of millions to maintain.

As an example, I hadn't been to Naples for at least 10 years. When I went last Summer they had built a new station and high speed line all the way to Rome and beyond to Milan which serves the Freccia Rossa.

By the time we do get a proper high speed line serving the whole country, like we have from the channel tunnel to London, train technology would have moved on.

RandyWanger · Jan 2, 2020

bashlsdir said:
France, Italy, Germany, Spain has lots of space to build new high speed lines. We have to make do with existing lines which costs hundreds of millions to maintain.

As an example, I hadn't been to Naples for at least 10 years. When I went last Summer they had built a new station and high speed line all the way to Rome and beyond to Milan which serves the Freccia Rossa.

By the time we do get a proper high speed line serving the whole country, like we have from the channel tunnel to London, train technology would have moved on.

Being a c2c customer, I help to pay for that. So pleased they get to enjoy it.

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