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[TV] Gary Lineker - My Grandad's War.









Thunder Bolt

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I watched it last night, and thought it was excellent. The veterans who spoke about it were incredible to say they're in their nineties. The munitions are still littering the hillsides. I knew Monte Cassino was a hard long fought battle, but I didn't realise how many were lost trying to cross the river.
It is well worth watching.
 


Fignon's Ponytail

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Jun 29, 2012
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On the Beach
Yep, great programme. I've always been really interested in military history, but admit I've never delved into the Italian campaign very much (bar Monte Cassino) Will definitely look into it more after watching last night.
 


CPFC G

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Dec 24, 2011
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Watched it as my Grandad was at Monte Cassino. Lineker came across well, none of his usual smarm. The verterans were the star of the show though.

Amazing that it took his grandad 3 years to qualify as a medic, Missed half the war sat on the bench!
 
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Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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saaf of the water
I watched it last night, and thought it was excellent. The veterans who spoke about it were incredible to say they're in their nineties. The munitions are still littering the hillsides. I knew Monte Cassino was a hard long fought battle, but I didn't realise how many were lost trying to cross the river.
It is well worth watching.

I thought it was excellent- pretty sure one of the veterans was 104!
 




Granny on the wing

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Sep 7, 2019
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I watched it last night, and thought it was excellent. The veterans who spoke about it were incredible to say they're in their nineties. The munitions are still littering the hillsides. I knew Monte Cassino was a hard long fought battle, but I didn't realise how many were lost trying to cross the river.
It is well worth watching.

From what i have read about this battle there was four different battles over a few winter months and a lot of different nations involved on the Allies side including British ,NZ Div ,Indian Div , US ,Polish Div .The Germans had some of their best Troops defending the hills [Para`s].The French Moroccan mountain troops out flanked Monte Cassino from miles away which made the Germans pull back eventually.The Poles made the final push to the top of the hill as they were fresh troops ,the other divisions of different nations took a lot of casualties and could not quite get to the peak .There was also a big battle for Cassino Town British /NZ where Tanks could not get through. The Poles lost a lot of men getting to the Monastery at the top of the mountain but the Germans had mostly retreated when they got there .What stuck me was that in some of the early battles the Americans were freezing to death on the hills as the weather was very cold and wet in the Italian winter as you would think Italy being a hot Country it would not be that bad but all the troops suffered in the bad weather not getting much cover on the rocky hills.
 




DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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I thought it was excellent- pretty sure one of the veterans was 104!

It was the one who asked "Do you know how old I am?"...… to which you knew the answer was going to be 100+.

He'd flown to Italy to record it!
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
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Multicultural Brum
Royal Sussex Regt took dreadful casualties at Cassino IIRC.
 






el punal

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https://youtu.be/tKVF5JUKSFQ

Well worth a watch :thumbsup:

Never heard of DDay Dodgers ???

I read an article recently, the contents of which I thought were quite controversial, about the morale of troops selected for the D-Day landings and beyond. It was believed that those troops who had not been in action before performed better than the battle hardened ones who fought in North Africa and other regions. The premise being if you hadn’t experienced war you would accept your fate. The experienced soldiers, on the other hand, having endured the horrors for years knew exactly what to expect and would be more hesitant in their actions. I suppose you would call that battle fatigue.

Either way nothing can take away the sheer bravery and courage of ALL concerned. We owe them everything.
 


portlock seagull

Why? Why us?
Jul 28, 2003
17,071
Wonder what happened to the big budget saving private Ryan type film they were going to make about Monte Cassino. Rumours were very strong several years ago I’m but I guess it’s been canned. Dam busters was similarly being remade but that’s been stalled for at least ten years now as well.

Italian campaign was nothing but Somme like mud in the mountains. A murderous slog in the rain against entrenched determined troops cunningly deployed enabling platoons to hold up entire divisions. Must have been hell and seriously morale sapping warfare.
 


Nitram

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Jul 16, 2013
2,178
My Dad was at Monte Cassino mentioned in dispatches. Went back in the 80’s with him to the site, very moving.
 




Questions

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Oct 18, 2006
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Worthing
My dad was always at the Casino..........and the bookies.

No Burma really.
 


macky

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Dec 28, 2004
1,651
Lineker donated his fee for the programme to the RBL too [emoji122][emoji106]

He should not have been paid in the first place In fact he should have paid for being given the opportunity
Of filming it
 


essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
4,118
We went to Monte Cassino a few years ago and had the same tour guide that Lineker did. Very moving.

We were told that the B52s ended up having to pound the top of the hill. It took that to swing it.
 






maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
12,990
Zabbar- Malta
We went to Monte Cassino a few years ago and had the same tour guide that Lineker did. Very moving.

We were told that the B52s ended up having to pound the top of the hill. It took that to swing it.

I always thought differently from what I had read:

Repeated pinpoint artillery attacks on Allied assault troops caused their leaders to conclude the abbey was being used by the Germans as an observation post, at the very least. Fears escalated along with casualties and in spite of a lack of clear evidence, it was marked for destruction. On 15 February American bombers dropped 1,400 tons of high explosives, creating widespread damage.[The raid failed to achieve its objective, as German paratroopers then occupied the rubble and established excellent defensive positions amid the ruins.
 


essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
4,118
I always thought differently from what I had read:

Repeated pinpoint artillery attacks on Allied assault troops caused their leaders to conclude the abbey was being used by the Germans as an observation post, at the very least. Fears escalated along with casualties and in spite of a lack of clear evidence, it was marked for destruction. On 15 February American bombers dropped 1,400 tons of high explosives, creating widespread damage.[The raid failed to achieve its objective, as German paratroopers then occupied the rubble and established excellent defensive positions amid the ruins.

True - but i guess it's difficult to mount bug guns in rubble - so the writing was on the wall as soon as the B52s
got going. The German crack troops may well have held out - but not for too long.
 


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