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[Politics] Giving Up Flying vs "The Plane Is Going Anyway"

Should We Give Up Flying?

  • We should all give up flying now

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • We should all fly less

    Votes: 42 49.4%

  • It makes no difference, the plane is going anyway

    Votes: 38 44.7%
  • Total voters
    85


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,517
The Fatherland
Nixonator said:
Won't make a blind bit of difference with industrial revolutions going on elsewhere in the world.

In fact, even a global carbon reduction is not an economical way to combat climate change long term.

In the tiny microcosm of your own existence, whether or not you take a flight is such an insignificant thing that these kinds of vacuous discussions are only had by those who have no concept of scale.
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I can’t be arsed to challenge this train of thought. But one thing I will say is, have you ever considered it’s sometimes simply just good to do the right thing in life?
 




nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,575
Gods country fortnightly
Herr Tubthumper said:
The carbon allowance idea is probably the most sensible and fairest approach. How it would operate, and how it would be managed and policed, I have no idea.
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I don't know either, but they needs to do something to change consumer behaviour

You pollute, you pay
 


Nixonator

Nixonator

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Feb 8, 2016
6,733
Shoreham Beach
Herr Tubthumper said:
I can’t be arsed to challenge this train of thought. But one thing I will say is, have you ever considered it’s sometimes simply just good to do the right thing in life?
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1. Challenge it as best you can, I look forward to your citations.
2. I don't fly, but I neither expect the same nor judge those that do.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,303
nicko31 said:
I don't know either, but they needs to do something to change consumer behaviour

You pollute, you pay
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if the extent of CO2 emission are correct, this isnt enough. paying only helps if there is a process to pay to de-carbonise. it needs to be punitive taxes to really make any difference.
 


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nickjhs

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Apr 9, 2017
1,288
Ballarat, Australia
Air travel is not the problem, The IPCC has estimated that aviation is responsible for around 3.5 percent of anthropogenic climate change. Flying is a tiny percentage of the problem.

This graph (albeit a bit general in its approach) sets it out fairly well

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This pod cast episode of Sean Carrols Mindscape is excellent https://youtu.be/Q4mLKRCL2z8
 






beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,303
nickjhs said:
Air travel is not the problem, The IPCC has estimated that aviation is responsible for around 3.5 percent of anthropogenic climate change. Flying is a tiny percentage of the problem.
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has anyone let Greta know its OK to fly to Spain?
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,303
dont worry, someone has flown to the US to crew the boat so that Greta doesnt have to fly. :moo:
 




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