[Albion] Shots and possession.

Stat Brother · Nov 3, 2019

Seeing as at least 2 players are coming in for unwarranted criticism about their shooting (Maupay is currently on course for 15 goals and Alzate is only 12 years old) I thought I'd do a quick compare/contrast with last seasons home form v relegated teams..

Anticipating some very dour statistics I thought this was going to prove all you 'never happy's' wrong, but it doesn't, although I'm still left with the feeling:-

'what more do you want?'

v Fulham (sept)

15 shots
5 on target
41.5% possession
1 point

v Huddersfield

14 shots
4 on target
52.7% possession
3 points

v Cardiff

14 shots
2 on target
63.1% possession
0 points

v Norwich

21 shots
5 on target
58% possession
3 points.

Yesterday's team was pretty much exactly the same as last season, yet seemingly light years apart.

One Teddy Maybank · Nov 3, 2019

Stat Brother said:
Seeing as at least 2 players are coming in for unwarranted criticism about their shooting (Maupay is currently on course for 15 goals and Alzate is only 12 years old) I thought I'd do a quick compare/contrast with last seasons home form v relegated teams..

Anticipating some very dour statistics I thought this was going to prove all you 'never happy's' wrong, but it doesn't, although I'm still left with the feeling:-

'what more do you want?'

v Fulham (sept)

15 shots
5 on target
41.5% possession
1 point

v Huddersfield

14 shots
4 on target
52.7% possession
3 points

v Cardiff

14 shots
2 on target
63.1% possession
0 points

v Norwich

21 shots
5 on target
58% possession
3 points.

Yesterday's team was pretty much exactly the same as last season, yet seemingly light years apart.

Do you have the Burnley comparison from both seasons?

Reason for asking is I felt we battered them last year and got nothing, whereas this year may have even created less but got a point (and should’ve won).

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Stat Brother · Nov 3, 2019

One Teddy Maybank said:
Do you have the Burnley comparison from both seasons?

Reason for asking is I felt we battered them last year and got nothing, whereas this year may have even created less but got a point (and should’ve won).

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Sorry you're on your own now I'm at work.

dwayne · Nov 3, 2019

Stat Brother said:
Seeing as at least 2 players are coming in for unwarranted criticism about their shooting (Maupay is currently on course for 15 goals and Alzate is only 12 years old) I thought I'd do a quick compare/contrast with last seasons home form v relegated teams..

Anticipating some very dour statistics I thought this was going to prove all you 'never happy's' wrong, but it doesn't, although I'm still left with the feeling:-

'what more do you want?'

v Fulham (sept)

15 shots
5 on target
41.5% possession
1 point

v Huddersfield

14 shots
4 on target
52.7% possession
3 points

v Cardiff

14 shots
2 on target
63.1% possession
0 points

v Norwich

21 shots
5 on target
58% possession
3 points.

Yesterday's team was pretty much exactly the same as last season, yet seemingly light years apart.

I don't really see what this proves. Last season we barely created anything in games and win because we have Murray who is one of the best finishers in world football !!

Maupay is missing far too much. If you take away the pen and the goal handed to him against spurs he's only really scored 2 goals from open play this season. I'm being ultra critical but at this level you need to be. We need a striker of josh king or Callum Wilson standard. I have a good feeling Connelly will reach those levels.

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darkwolf666 · Nov 3, 2019

Stat Brother said:
Seeing as at least 2 players are coming in for unwarranted criticism about their shooting (Maupay is currently on course for 15 goals and Alzate is only 12 years old) I thought I'd do a quick compare/contrast with last seasons home form v relegated teams..

Anticipating some very dour statistics I thought this was going to prove all you 'never happy's' wrong, but it doesn't, although I'm still left with the feeling:-

'what more do you want?'

v Fulham (sept)

15 shots
5 on target
41.5% possession
1 point

v Huddersfield

14 shots
4 on target
52.7% possession
3 points

v Cardiff

14 shots
2 on target
63.1% possession
0 points

v Norwich

21 shots
5 on target
58% possession
3 points.

Yesterday's team was pretty much exactly the same as last season, yet seemingly light years apart.

At the risk of being called a pedant, you cant have something "pretty much exactly" the same. It's either exactly the same or it isn't, can't be almost or any other "near" word.

Other than that, nice stats... :wink:

One Teddy Maybank · Nov 3, 2019

Stat Brother said:
Sorry you're on your own now I'm at work.

No worries - have a good day.......

Last season

Possession 68%
Shots 16
On target 6

This season

Possession 63%
Shots 14
On target 5

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Stat Brother · Nov 3, 2019

dwayne said:
I don't really see what this proves. Last season we barely created anything in games and win because we have Murray who is one of the best finishers in world football !!

Maupay is missing far too much. If you take away the pen and the goal handed to him against spurs he's only really scored 2 goals from open play this season. I'm being ultra critical but at this level you need to be. We need a striker of josh king or Callum Wilson standard. I have a good feeling Connelly will reach those levels.

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Sorry there isn't an 'easy goal' setting on Maupay's stats.
They just say he's scored 4 from 11 Premier League games.

As said, I was expecting the numbers to prove a massive difference in shots and possession.
They don't and I could have binned they idea as they don't prove my point.
But I didn't because now, with similar stats it's a straight up fight between last season's style of play verse this season.

Most of yesterday's match was played with 10 players who were available to CH v Huddersfield.
I know which game I preferred, despite there only being one goal in it.

darkwolf666 · Nov 3, 2019

As a former analyst I'm a great fan of statistics, however they don't always paint the full picture.

The stats quoted here are from the pre Christmas games last year, before our season when tits up and appear to indicate, statistically, that we were playing just as attacking possession based football as we are this season. For me, on this occasion I believe the statistics lie.

dwayne · Nov 3, 2019

Stat Brother said:
Sorry there isn't an 'easy goal' setting on Maupay's stats.
They just say he's scored 4 from 11 Premier League games.

As said, I was expecting the numbers to prove a massive difference in shots and possession.
They don't and I could have binned they idea as they don't prove my point.
But I didn't because now, with similar stats it's a straight up fight between last season's style of play verse this season.

Most of yesterday's match was played with 10 players who were available to CH v Huddersfield.
I know which game I preferred, despite there only being one goal in it.

Ok look at Murray's shot to goal ratio Vs maupay.

Chalk and cheese.

Murray would score hatfuls with the amount of chances we are currently creating.

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Acker79 · Nov 3, 2019

dwayne said:
Maupay is missing far too much. If you take away the pen and the goal handed to him against spurs he's only really scored 2 goals from open play this season.

Yeah, and if you take away the points we won v tottenham, watford, everton, we'd be in the relegation zone and no one would be singing Potter's praises, eh? Take away the spurs, newcastle and watford games, and yesterday was Ryan's first clean sheet.

If you take away people's achievements of course they will appear to be failing to achieve. We have some spotty (pun not initially intended, but left there) history with penalties, having someone who can convert them is not to be sniffed at. A major part of finishing is being in the right place, Maupay has managed to do that at key moments to be able to 'just tap it in'. People love to point to Murray, but he isn't a pacey player who makes runs from deep after seeing the ball crossed and seeing where it is going to land. He anticipates, he reads the game and he gets into the right place so he can get on the end of it. That is a decent quality, not to be chalked off because it's 'just a tap in'

Justice · Nov 3, 2019

dwayne said:
I don't really see what this proves. Last season we barely created anything in games and win because we have Murray who is one of the best finishers in world football !!

Maupay is missing far too much. If you take away the pen and the goal handed to him against spurs he's only really scored 2 goals from open play this season. I'm being ultra critical but at this level you need to be. We need a striker of josh king or Callum Wilson standard. I have a good feeling Connelly will reach those levels.

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Bmuff have been on a dry spell for weeks :shrug:

Stat Brother · Nov 3, 2019

dwayne said:
Ok look at Murray's shot to goal ratio Vs maupay.

Chalk and cheese.

Murray would score hatfuls with the amount of chances we are currently creating.

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So I assume if I look I wouldn't find any criticism from you in the wake of the Huddersfield game.

I also assume you believe Murray is capable of getting into those scoring position if we had a straight swap.
You believe Murray is capable of playing at the current tempo.

pb21 · Nov 3, 2019

dwayne said:
Murray would score hatfuls with the amount of chances we are currently creating.

As much as I like Murray (I think he is (was) absolute class), I don't think we would we be currently creating as many chances if he was playing.

warmleyseagull · Nov 3, 2019

Norwich had 0 on target, which, curiously given the 'CH was too defensive' mantra, is better than any of these games: Fulham 5, Huddersfield 4, Cardiff 3. So maybe the 'never happys' are wrong on basis of best form of defence is attack.

One Teddy Maybank · Nov 3, 2019

warmleyseagull said:
Norwich had 0 on target, which, curiously given the 'CH was too defensive' mantra, is better than any of these games: Fulham 5, Huddersfield 4, Cardiff 3. So maybe the 'never happys' are wrong on basis of best form of defence is attack.

But they did hit the crossbar and Dunk made a wonderful last ditch tackle.

Stats rarely tell the whole story.

FatSuperman · Nov 4, 2019

One Teddy Maybank said:
But they did hit the crossbar and Dunk made a wonderful last ditch tackle.

Stats rarely tell the whole story.

Very true, but they are useful as a basis for comparison when the alternatives are far more subjective. Everybody knows stats don't tell everything, but the fact remains that they had 0 on target. I think Norwich are suffering from a serious lack of confidence. They have a ridiculous number of injuries and Farke looks to have tried to change the way they play, to be far more defensive. This has effectively nullified the only positive aspect of their play, which was their attacking threat. They don't really have the personnel to defend for 80 minutes and try and nick games. Certainly not with their current injuries anyway. Big game for them next week!

Speaking of useless stats, here is the latest xG league table, uysing Ben Mayhew's model (experimental 3-6-1)

One Teddy Maybank · Nov 4, 2019

FatSuperman said:
Very true, but they are useful as a basis for comparison when the alternatives are far more subjective. Everybody knows stats don't tell everything, but the fact remains that they had 0 on target. I think Norwich are suffering from a serious lack of confidence. They have a ridiculous number of injuries and Farke looks to have tried to change the way they play, to be far more defensive. This has effectively nullified the only positive aspect of their play, which was their attacking threat. They don't really have the personnel to defend for 80 minutes and try and nick games. Certainly not with their current injuries anyway. Big game for them next week!

Speaking of useless stats, here is the latest xG league table, uysing Ben Mayhew's model (experimental 3-6-1)

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Sure and Norwich weren’t very good.

I will always go by what I see in front of me, the stats may or may not confirm this [emoji2]

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el punal · Nov 4, 2019

Having watched Match of the Day this weekend we were not the only team profligate in front of goal. Those net bursters Man City and Liverpool, among others, were also guilty.

The exciting part of watching the Albion play these days is how much more creative we are. With a bit more composure and the need to be more clinical in front of goal will surely come. Overall the team are settling in to play really attractive stuff. Long may it continue.

Stat Brother · Nov 4, 2019

el punal said:
Having watched Match of the Day this weekend we were not the only team profligate in front of goal. Those net bursters Man City and Liverpool, among others, were also guilty.

The exciting part of watching the Albion play these days is how much more creative we are. With a bit more composure and the need to be more clinical in front of goal will surely come. Overall the team are settling in to play really attractive stuff. Long may it continue.

From the Maupay thread:-

Stat Brother said:
Yesterday the Albion had:-

21 shots 5 on target 2 goals = Maupay needs to do better.

Man City

26 shots 4 on target 2 goals = Agüero needs to do better?

Liverpool

25 shots 6 on target 2 goals = Salah/Mane needs to do better?

Chelsea

16 shots 10 on target 2 goals = Abrahams needs to do better?

Wolves

24 shots 8 on target 1 goal = Barry Wolf needs to do better?

There's some heads firmly lodged in their own backsides on this and other threads.

el punal · Nov 4, 2019

dwayne said:
Ok look at Murray's shot to goal ratio Vs maupay.

Chalk and cheese.

Murray would score hatfuls with the amount of chances we are currently creating.

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Well he would definitely have scored against Everton if Digne hadn’t done the job for him. Not sure about the “hatfuls” you speak of, but still an absolute beast if the ball lands at his feet in the six yard box.

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