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[Politics] The General Election Thread

How are you voting?

  • Conservative and Unionist Party

    Votes: 176 32.3%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 146 26.8%
  • Liberal Democrat’s

    Votes: 139 25.5%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 44 8.1%
  • Independent Candidate

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Monster Raving Looney Party

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Total voters
    545
  • Poll closed .


Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,402
The LibDems smugly boasting on the TV how they’ve stepped aside in Brighton Pavilion, to give Caroline Lucas a chance as a Remain candidate.

What utter tosh. Lucas already had the seat tied up, her vote is only going to grow in a staunchly Remain constituency. The LibDems are effectively irrelevant in the constituency.

LibDems arrogance.

No, I think they are just showing how the 'Remain Alliance ' is working, it was just an easy marketing win.

What really needs to happen is for Labour to join that Remain Alliance so that Brexit is stopped. The problem is that Labour see themselves as too big for that and more fundamentally are not a Remain party at the top end (nor in the north grass roots) so won't do that. Now the BREXIT party has pulled out of contesting many seats the Tories will win a majority , they will get BREXIT and will f*ck the economy and with it the NHS.
 


Weststander

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NSC Patreon
Aug 25, 2011
63,404
Withdean area
No, I think they are just showing how the 'Remain Alliance ' is working, it was just an easy marketing win.

What really needs to happen is for Labour to join that Remain Alliance so that Brexit is stopped. The problem is that Labour see themselves as too big for that and more fundamentally are not a Remain party at the top end (nor in the north grass roots) so won't do that. Now the BREXIT party has pulled out of contesting many seats the Tories will win a majority , they will get BREXIT and will f*ck the economy and with it the NHS.

Labour are a significant party with a big following, who are going all out in 650 seats. They’re not fixated by Remain or Brexit, they have a agenda covering a whole host of major policies. They’ve made it plain that they don’t want this GE to be about Brexit.

They leave the binary world of Brexit to very minority parties such as the LibDems and a few NSC commentators.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
55,575
Back in Sussex
Labour ROARING back with the projected Tory majority SLASHED from 114 to 112 according to Electoral Calculus.

Screenshot 2019-11-13 at 22.25.19.png
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,523
Gods country fortnightly
No, I think they are just showing how the 'Remain Alliance ' is working, it was just an easy marketing win.

What really needs to happen is for Labour to join that Remain Alliance so that Brexit is stopped. The problem is that Labour see themselves as too big for that and more fundamentally are not a Remain party at the top end (nor in the north grass roots) so won't do that. Now the BREXIT party has pulled out of contesting many seats the Tories will win a majority , they will get BREXIT and will f*ck the economy and with it the NHS.

Labour joining a remain alliance is their only hope of power, the Corbyn brand is just too toxic even to win against the compulsive liar and complete charlatan of Johnson.

Their best hope is Bojo has some kind of meltdown, but Corbyn's fundamentals remain constant
 






nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,523
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That would be astonishing, just 20 seats for the out and out Remain party.

Shirley the LibDems will pick up seats in outer London and elsewhere?

The Brexit party pulling back from Tory seats could have an impact on LD gains

SNP only gaining 7 seats? There are 13 easy Tory pickings for a start.
 




Bodian

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May 3, 2012
11,599
Cumbria
Wrong - UK is slightly lower in terms of current spending as % GDP (40% vs 45%) see https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-spending-to-gdp. 5% represents about £100m extra per year, way less than any of the parties plan to spend.

UK has about average %debt to GDP overall, achieved by the recent reign back of government spending: https://www.debtclocks.eu/public-debt-and-budget-deficits-comparison-of-the-eu-member-states.html.

Am I misunderstanding something here? UK's GDP for 2008 was £2.11 trillion, 5% of this is vastly more than £100m. Do you mean £100billion?
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,265
That would be astonishing, just 20 seats for the out and out Remain party.

Shirley the LibDems will pick up seats in outer London and elsewhere?

represents 66% increase from current though.
 


Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,402
Labour are a significant party with a big following, who are going all out in 650 seats. They’re not fixated by Remain or Brexit, they have a agenda covering a whole host of major policies. They’ve made it plain that they don’t want this GE to be about Brexit.

They leave the binary world of Brexit to very minority parties such as the LibDems and a few NSC commentators.

that's there mistake because BREXIT is the key issue affecting the economy by not joining with the LIB Dems in remaining they will lose. I could be wrong but too many people like me ,centre left remainers , see that remain is the key issue and are not keen on a further left Labour party. More to the point any remainers on the left side of the Tory party won't vote labour either but are more likely to vote Lib Dem. All a matter of opinions but the best tactic in the short term will be to make compromises , Labour & Lib Dem, so that the Tories don't continue in power. Try and mend the country i.e. address Brexiteers issues and secure the NHS then call an election maybe in 3 years to decide the real political direction. my personal view is centralist views so that we get away from party politics which divide the nation.
 


drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,007
Burgess Hill
Labour are a significant party with a big following, who are going all out in 650 seats. They’re not fixated by Remain or Brexit, they have a agenda covering a whole host of major policies. They’ve made it plain that they don’t want this GE to be about Brexit.

They leave the binary world of Brexit to very minority parties such as the LibDems and a few NSC commentators.

A significant party that, in the last 45 years have had only one leader win a general election!!!!
 




Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,402
Labour joining a remain alliance is their only hope of power, the Corbyn brand is just too toxic even to win against the compulsive liar and complete charlatan of Johnson.

Their best hope is Bojo has some kind of meltdown, but Corbyn's fundamentals remain constant

And whether he really is that extreme or whether he really is that nice is irrelevant its all about perception and the perception of the majority ( probably driven by a Tory press) is that he is not the man. in politics perception is reality.
 




Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,402
A significant party that, in the last 45 years have had only one leader win a general election!!!!

one who reflected an educated society wanting a fair allocation of resources rather than someone spouting on about the 'working class' which as a term no longer applies to a society with so many self-employed, house owners.
 




drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,007
Burgess Hill
one who reflected an educated society wanting a fair allocation of resources rather than someone spouting on about the 'working class' which as a term no longer applies to a society with so many self-employed, house owners.

I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet!

Labour will not win unless they can attract the middle ground.
 


Raleigh Chopper

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12,054
Plymouth
And whether he really is that extreme or whether he really is that nice is irrelevant its all about perception and the perception of the majority ( probably driven by a Tory press) is that he is not the man. in politics perception is reality.

This is true.
The inability of Joe public to make its own mind up by using its own eyes, ears and brain is astounding.
The front page of a rag like the Sun on the morning of an election has, in the past, made a major contribution to who won.
But the politicians do not help themselves either by not answering or swerving important questions and generally behaving like pillocks, they never ever learn that the public just want straight answers and some truth, they would appreciate it even if they didn't necessarily agree.
One of the many reasons I would never vote for Johnson is because he is a convicted and seriel lier.
Who in their right mind would want someone like that running the country, given a majority he would take great pleasure in doing nothing that he said he would do, he always says what people want to hear at the time depending on where he is.
Admittedly it's a shitty choice but the most dangerous candidate is Johnson, the man is a total idiot.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,523
Gods country fortnightly
This is true.
The inability of Joe public to make its own mind up by using its own eyes, ears and brain is astounding.
The front page of a rag like the Sun on the morning of an election has, in the past, made a major contribution to who won.
But the politicians do not help themselves either by not answering or swerving important questions and generally behaving like pillocks, they never ever learn that the public just want straight answers and some truth, they would appreciate it even if they didn't necessarily agree.
One of the many reasons I would never vote for Johnson is because he is a convicted and seriel lier.
Who in their right mind would want someone like that running the country, given a majority he would take great pleasure in doing nothing that he said he would do, he always says what people want to hear at the time depending on where he is.
Admittedly it's a shitty choice but the most dangerous candidate is Johnson, the man is a total idiot.

Got the point now where his policies are an irrelevance to the conversation. Remainers are worried, but so should Brexiters

He is of no conviction at all and cannot be trusted
 






A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Sep 1, 2017
17,523
Deepest, darkest Sussex
This is true.
The inability of Joe public to make its own mind up by using its own eyes, ears and brain is astounding.
The front page of a rag like the Sun on the morning of an election has, in the past, made a major contribution to who won.
But the politicians do not help themselves either by not answering or swerving important questions and generally behaving like pillocks, they never ever learn that the public just want straight answers and some truth, they would appreciate it even if they didn't necessarily agree.
One of the many reasons I would never vote for Johnson is because he is a convicted and seriel lier.
Who in their right mind would want someone like that running the country, given a majority he would take great pleasure in doing nothing that he said he would do, he always says what people want to hear at the time depending on where he is.
Admittedly it's a shitty choice but the most dangerous candidate is Johnson, the man is a total idiot.

I think this is why people warmed to Corbyn last time around, as compared to the skittish May he seemed like he was at least trying to be more earnest. Although he seems not to be this time so will be interesting to see whether the same happens.
 


Rodney Thomas

Well-known member
May 2, 2012
1,569
Ελλάδα
Essential though in the instance of getting something important done eg. Brexit.

The last 3 and a bit years have illustrated how difficult it is getting anything through in Parliament without a clear majority.

That's not really true. Here are the number of laws passed each year from 2010:

2019 (31)
2018 (34)
2017 (35)
2016 (25)
2015 (37)
2014 (30)
2013 (33)
2012 (23)
2011 (25)
2010 (41)

Hung parliaments and coalitions are not inherently a bad thing for democracies. They tend to force compromise and don't allow tiny majorities/minorities to ride roughshod over the views of others (which you could say is happening with Brexit).
 



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