blue'n'white
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Except a 15 year old boy probably wouldn't be up at 7am !
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[Misc] London commuters appear to attack XR protestor
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Except a 15 year old boy probably wouldn't be up at 7am !
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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Exactly the same could be said about the posturing vegan clowns in Brighton who find it revolutionary to chuck buckets of fake blood around in McDonalds. In London Road of all places. Bloody students.
Yes, obviously. Things have to change, maybe international football is one of them
No, it's because aviation is one of the biggest single contributors to greenhouse gases, and one where we can all make a difference by flying less. Also airports have private jets (so that Prince Harry can fly to climate change conferences). Stopping those, and trying to inconvenience the rich ***** that own and use them, IMO is a worthy aim.
Gazwag
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We have an hourly two car diesel service running from Eastbourne to Ashford - the Ore to Ashford section isn't electrified
Well it's backfiring. People like me are (were) broadly sympathetic to their cause, certainly in targetting the industries/activities that are contributing to the problem. However the 'message' they are getting across by targetting electrified public transport is that yes they really are just a load of middle class wankers who simply want to cause disruption for its own sake. I hope the next time there's an XR protest, especially on the rail network, an alliance of police and commuters beat the crap out of them.
(Ok, I don't really think that, but I am extremely disappointed by this. My rail commuting days are still a raw memory.).
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Publius Ovidius
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There was a person on Westminster bridge who was interviewed who actually said the opposite. She said that society needs to change so people can get out of their cars and public transport and to cycle and walk more. When asked about people who have to commute to go to work, she said that we should close all the banks and financial sector in London and the major cities and returned to a time before the industrial revolution where people lived and worked on the land.
Thing was she was deadly serious and the people around here were all nodding in agreement.
I know climate change is something that is very toxic, but whilst you have Poland refusing point blank to stop mining coal and the president of the United States suggesting it is a communist plot against America to appease his oil chums, then the situation will never change.
One guy on twitter this morning was abusing people who were saying they recycled what they could and were doing their bit...he was suggesting this is far more explosive than “ pissing about with plastic bottles”
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Cerys Matthews on Sunday 6music show interviewed neuroscientist Professor Shane O'Mara who has written a book called In Praise of Walking: The new science of how we walk and why it’s good for us
O'Mara not only talks about the merits of walking physically, he scientifically looks at it being essential for the health of the brain.
"Walking is good for our muscles and posture; it helps to protect and repair organs, and can slow or turn back the ageing of our brains. With our minds in motion we think more creatively, our mood improves and stress levels fall. Walking together to achieve a shared purpose is also a social glue that has contributed to our survival as a species."
He believes that our obsession with planning for the automobile has been a flawed concept for 90 years, and that we must organise our town and cities to prioritise walking and cycling over the automobile.
A huge number of commutes in London and our other cities and towns could be made by walking or bike. There will be thousands and thousands that get out of town trains into London only to get a tube for 2 or 3 stops that likely barely saves them any time over walking.
Might think about giving it a read, sounded a really interesting guy.
Publius Ovidius
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To be honest I get that and yes, when I commuted , I walked from mile oak to the station at portslade and from London Bridge to old street, and the reverse coming back. It certainly is good , not so much in the shite weather.
I think it was more around the comment about in effect shutting down major cities and having people work nearer home, where they could walk to! Which of course is nonsense.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Can’t Agree, I work in around London everyday and never really seen anything out of the ordinary. The stabbings are generally gang related so unless your in a gang I guess your quite safe from that sort of thing.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
- 15,185
Do Americans have a points system with their driving licence too?
hart's shirt
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The trouble with protests is that there's always the danger of things escalating.
Palacefinder General
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Comes from Brighton I believe, always very frustrating when that pulls in at Lewes, 2 car train and always a bun fight to get a seat, even off-peak, but at least it’s not the ex-London 1980s rolling stock Southern have still got the balls to run on the Seaford line.
Vaguely related trivia- There was a port worker at Newhaven Harbour in the 80s, who used to do handstands on the live rail at Newhaven Harbour for £5 a time (£5 from every onlooker) on the night shift, as witnessed by my dad, who was Customs at Newhaven at the time.
Hastings gull
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Justice
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highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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For those interested in nuance and not just macho 'hold me back, I'd throw them on the tracks' on-line posturing
General consensus amongst those involved in XR seems to be that this was a bad idea (a lot of people were against it), although that is not to excuse the violence. While the main point of protests is to gain attention, there are also symbolic links to targets, whether parliament, the treasury, offices of the Sun, bbc, major banks etc. Public transport systems are not great in terms of symbolism. And of course everyone who travels on the undeground, or trains generally, knows how tense it can all get. Human beings are not designed to live like that on a daily basis.
I am fairly sure it will not be repeated.
Meanwhile, the climate crisis doesn't stop being real.
General consensus amongst those involved in XR seems to be that this was a bad idea (a lot of people were against it), although that is not to excuse the violence. While the main point of protests is to gain attention, there are also symbolic links to targets, whether parliament, the treasury, offices of the Sun, bbc, major banks etc. Public transport systems are not great in terms of symbolism. And of course everyone who travels on the undeground, or trains generally, knows how tense it can all get. Human beings are not designed to live like that on a daily basis.
I am fairly sure it will not be repeated.
Meanwhile, the climate crisis doesn't stop being real.
Yoda
English & European
Global aviation only produces about 2% of all man made CO2 emissions and 12% of all transport sources. Road transportation on the other hand produces nearly 3 quarters. On top of that, the majority of flights cover distances where there is no practical alternative mode of transport.
Please try to use actual facts and figures to back up claims like that.
Seagull
Yes I eat anything
Support XR as a concept and have been on several actions but it is very decentralised as a movement and some are bound to get it wrong as I think these guys have.
Pretty horrible mob mentality on the platform though - men of course with nowhere else to direct their rage and impotence!
Pretty horrible mob mentality on the platform though - men of course with nowhere else to direct their rage and impotence!
