[Football] Bulgaria v England (7:45 ITV)

Horses Arse · Oct 15, 2019

Durlston said:
Nail on head.

When Wilfried Zaha wanted out at Palace in the summer, did the fans turn on him, call him a mercenary and boo constantly because of his actions? No. They kept cheering him, singing his name and he has now put all that behind him and playing excellent football again to repay them.

No idea of the relevance. If he'd left it may have been more interesting. Throat slitting gestures etc have featured prominently before of course.

Anyway, back on topic, it's the Palace always ultras that associate themselves with such pieces of shit. No one else, it is them. If they didn't realise then perhaps they could stop acting like pricks and do some good to show that not all black clad face hiding neanderthals are scum. Worth a try.

blue-shifted · Oct 15, 2019

Horses Arse said:
Reclaiming or assimilating the uniform of facists and making a statement of 'good' is one thing, eg skinheads being adopted by others with very different behaviours.

Adopting a uniform for purposes of association because you think it makes you tough and edgy and because you think that's what being a football fan means, is entirely different.

100% the always ultras dress and act like they do because they think the right wing racist uniform is cool and tough. It might not make them facists but it does make them *****

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I didn't agree with you, but you've talked me round. That way of dressing has associations with fascism. It's a symbol and symbols matter.

I won't use it as a stick to beat Palace with, because until yesterday many wouldn't have made the connection, maybe just seen it as being passionate supporters. But this week has changed everything. If there's 100s of Palace dressed like that going forward, they will deserve the dump truck of criticism that comes their way

Horses Arse · Oct 15, 2019

Se20 said:
Far right groups ? You haven’t a clue mate .

Oh go on then. Do tell me who they model themselves on. I'm genuinely interested to hear as it seems pretty obvious to me and it isn't very pleasant. They might not be facists, they might just be very young and very stupid and whilst that may be an excuse to them it should not be for those that excuse, accept and support such messages.

dazzer6666 · Oct 15, 2019

Apols if fixtures but couldn't see this posted....................presumably he'll get fined more then the Bulgarian FA as a result. Top work though.

https://twitter.com/FootbaII_HQ/status/1183831955210752007?s=20

blue-shifted · Oct 15, 2019

Horses Arse said:
Oh go on then. Do tell me who they model themselves on. I'm genuinely interested to hear as it seems pretty obvious to me and it isn't very pleasant. They might not be facists, they might just be very young and very stupid and whilst that may be an excuse to them it should not be for those that excuse, accept and support such messages.

se20 and horses arse. No need for this to be Brighton v palace.

HAILSHAM SEAGULL · Oct 15, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
Many teams have an 'ultras' set. Not all are linked to extremist attitudes.

I'm sure that if Crystal Palace weren't our rivals this wouldn't have been brought up. It's a cheap and embarrassing shot.

The Palace fans don't make Nazi signs and do funky gibbon impressions when a black opposition player has the ball.

It's like saying that because fascists often have skinheads then no-one else is allowed to.

My post wasnt meant to suggest that the HF are in the least bit racist, far from it.
Aplogies if anybody thought it was.
Its just the "Ultra" style of dress code with the hoodies and face scarfs doesnt do them any favours when you look at those racist thugs last night.

hart's shirt · Oct 15, 2019

"The president of the Bulgaria Football Union, Borislav Mihailov, has resigned.

It follows Bulgaria Prime Minister Boyko Borissov calling for him to quit earlier on Tuesday after the racist abuse of England players by home fans in Sofia.

The BFU said the move "is a consequence of the recent tensions" but did not mention racism in their statement."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50054475

blue-shifted · Oct 15, 2019

hart's shirt said:
"The president of the Bulgaria Football Union, Borislav Mihailov, has resigned.

It follows Bulgaria Prime Minister Boyko Borissov calling for him to quit earlier on Tuesday after the racist abuse of England players by home fans in Sofia.

The BFU said the move "is a consequence of the recent tensions" but did not mention racism in their statement."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50054475

I'm thinking the Bulgaria PM views this as he would if he were sacrificing a pawn in a game of chess.

It had to happen but meaningless if everything goes back to business as usual

Weststander · Oct 15, 2019

Bakero said:
I think I misread [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION] 's comment. Apologies. Looking again, I think he meant that British racist thugs wouldnt be upset by the actions of Bulgarian racists.

I did.

Cheers.

I can’t see them seeking out Bulgarians in this country to attack in revenge. (Which was a fear or another poster).

Weststander · Oct 15, 2019

Bakero said:
Well, that's an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Met many Bulgarians? Ever been there?

I didn’t mean that at all, see later posts.

Yes I’ve worked with Bulgarians, all good folk and like most newcomers to this country, they work really hard to make a go of their time here.

Se20 · Oct 15, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
To be fair (to me) my post wasn't a reply to him. And I have justified my partizan comment elsewhere. And I don't take lectures from Palace fans on NSC. That's just wrong.

Don’t be so bloody precious Harry, I won’t take lectures from a Palace fan on MY forum

As it happens, I wasn’t lecturing you or anyone, I just pointed out the obvious to some ignorant posters.

AmexRuislip · Oct 15, 2019

Se20 said:
Don’t be so bloody precious Harry, I won’t take lectures from a Palace fan on MY forum
As it happens, I wasn’t lecturing you or anyone, I just pointed out the obvious to some ignorant posters.

You wanna be careful he'll put you on ignore

BN41Albion · Oct 15, 2019

Gazwag said:
You have seen their squad haven't you. https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/teams/first-team/

Er yes, but I was referring to the opposing teams...

clapham_gull · Oct 15, 2019

The Bulgarian FA has been raided by anti corruption police this afternoon.

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Oct 15, 2019

AmexRuislip said:
You wanna be careful he'll put you on ignore

I blow raspberries in your general direction.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 16, 2019

Four Bulgarian fans have been arrested.

"Work is still ongoing to identify others," a statement from Bulgaria's Ministry of the Interior said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50066016

blue-shifted · Oct 16, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Four Bulgarian fans have been arrested.

"Work is still ongoing to identify others," a statement from Bulgaria's Ministry of the Interior said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50066016

6 now

The Bulgarian PM has noticed what a colossal PR disaster this is for his country and directly intervened. Horses and stable doors and all that, but it's better than nothing

Tom Hark Preston Park · Oct 16, 2019

Not such Clevor Trevers now eh?

Racist mugs :tosser:

Steve in Japan · Oct 16, 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50066775

I don't know if this is a sign of UEFA getting "serious" but partial closure for the Celtic game and a 20,000 euro fine doesn't sound particularly tough.

Wozza · Oct 16, 2019

hart's shirt said:
"The president of the Bulgaria Football Union, Borislav Mihailov, has resigned.

It follows Bulgaria Prime Minister Boyko Borissov calling for him to quit earlier on Tuesday after the racist abuse of England players by home fans in Sofia.

The BFU said the move "is a consequence of the recent tensions" but did not mention racism in their statement."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50054475

The irony here is that Fifa's own rules forbid government interference in the running of football associations.

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